An impractical but difficult problem I stumbled upon

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In summary, the conversation is about finding the amount of time it would take for two planetary masses to collide in a vacuum with no forces other than gravity acting on them. The discussion includes calculations and equations for finding their positions and distance at different times, as well as the use of Newton's second law to solve the problem. The final solution involves solving a separable differential equation and an integral.
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I'm only a high school physics/calculus student, so bear with me.

The problem is as such: There are two planetary masses, with no pre-existing velocity or acceleration that exist in a vacuum with no other forces being acted on them other than their gravity. What I want to find is how long it would take for these two masses to collide.

I've tried working on this problem myself for a while. So any help would be appreciated.
 
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arildno said:
... Two spheres, each with a mass of 1 kg and a radius of 1 meter, lie in space. Their centers are 10 meters apart. When will they make contact? ... arildno's posts from that old thread with latex cleaned up:

Call the spheres A and B, and let the origin of the coordinate system lie at the midpoint of the line segment defined by their centres.
Calling the sphere centres' positions as functions of time

[tex]x_{A} (t) , x_{B} (t) , x_{A} (0) = -5 , x_{B} (0) = 5[/tex]

respectively, we define the distance function between them as:

[tex]D(t)=x_{B} (t) - x_{A} (t) , D(0) = D_{0} = 10[/tex]

Setting up Newton's 2nd law for both, we get, with unit masses:

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x_{A}}{dt^{2}} = \frac{G}{D^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{d^{2}x_{B}}{dt^{2}} = -\frac{G}{D^{2}}[/tex]

whereby the equation for d(t) is readily derived:

[tex]\frac{d^{2} D}{dt^{2}} = -\frac{2G}{D^{2}} (*)[/tex]

We assume that the initial velocities are 0, i.e

[tex]\frac{dD}{dt}\mid_{t=0}=0[/tex]

Let us multiply (*) with dD/dt:

[tex]\frac{d^{2}D}{dt^{2}}\frac{dD}{dt}=-\frac{2G}{D^{2}}\frac{dD}{dt}[/tex]

Integrating both sides from t=0 to some arbitrary t-value, taking due notice of the initial conditions, yields:

[tex]\frac{1}{2}(\frac{dD}{dt})^{2}=\frac{2G}{D}-\frac{2G}{D_{0}}[/tex]

multiplying with two, taking the square root and remembering that D(t) will be decreasing, we get the diff. eq:

[tex]\frac{dD}{dt} = -\sqrt{ \frac{4G}{D_{0}}} \sqrt{ \frac{D_{0} - D} {D}}[/tex]

This is a separable diff.eq; we write:

[tex]\sqrt{ \frac{D}{D_{0} - D}} dD = -\sqrt{ \frac{4G}{D_{0}}} dt[/tex]

We now remember that when they spheres make contact, D(T)=2, where T is the time we're looking for! Thus, we get the equation for T, integrating both sides:

[tex]\int_{10}^{2} \sqrt{ \frac{D}{D_{0}-D}} dD = -\sqrt{ \frac{4G}{D_{0}}} T[/tex]

or equivalently:

[tex]T = \sqrt{ \frac{D_{0}}{4G}} \int_{2}^{10}
\sqrt{ \frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}dD[/tex]

In order to crack that integral, let us set:

[tex]u=\sqrt{\frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}\to{D}=D_{0}-\frac{D_{0}}{1+u^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]dD=\frac{D_{0}2u}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du[/tex]

The limits are

[tex]D=10\to{u}=\infty,D=2\to{u}=\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

We thereby get the expression for T in u:

[tex]T = D_{0} \sqrt{ \frac{D_{0}}{G}} \int_{ \frac{1}{2}}^{ \infty}
\frac{u^{2}du} {(1+u^{2})^{2}}[/tex]

doing integration by parts.

[tex]\int \frac{1}{1+u^{2}}du = \frac{u}{1+u^{2}} +
\int \frac{2u^{2}}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du[/tex]

[tex]\int \frac{u^{2}}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du =
\frac{1}{2}( \arctan(u) - \frac{u}{1+u^{2}})+C[/tex]

and

[tex]T = \frac{10^{ \frac{3}{2}}} {2 \sqrt{G}}
( \frac{ \pi}{2} - \arctan( \frac{1}{2}) + \frac{2}{5})[/tex]
 
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