When will two spheres with variable forces make contact?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of determining when two spheres, each with a mass of 1 kg and a radius of 1 meter, will make contact as they move towards each other under the influence of their mutual gravitational attraction. The participants explore the mathematical modeling of the forces involved, the changing distance between the spheres, and the calculus required to solve the problem.

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  • One participant outlines the initial setup of the problem, noting that the gravitational force between the spheres changes as they move closer together, which complicates the calculation of when they will make contact.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical approach using Newton's second law and derives a differential equation to describe the motion of the spheres, suggesting that the distance function can be expressed in terms of time.
  • A third participant offers a numerical estimate for the time it would take for the spheres to make contact, initially suggesting a value and later correcting it to a much larger number after considering a constant that was omitted.
  • Further mathematical elaboration is provided by another participant, who discusses integration techniques to solve the integral derived from the differential equation, aiming to express the time to contact in a more explicit form.

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Participants present various approaches and calculations, but there is no consensus on the final answer or the method of solution. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact time it takes for the spheres to make contact.

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The discussion involves complex mathematical reasoning, including differential equations and integration techniques, which may depend on specific assumptions about the gravitational constant and initial conditions. The calculations presented are not verified against a definitive solution.

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Firstly, I'd like to announce that this is not a homework question, it is an example of a problem I thought up to illustrate what I have trouble with:

Two spheres, each with a mass of 1 kg and a radius of 1 meter, lie in space. Their centers are 10 meters apart. When will they make contact?

Now obviously the initial force acting on each sphere is easily calculable from the gravity equation. But an infinitesmall period of time after they have moved towards each other, their distance apart will have changed, and the force acting on each sphere will increase. Not only are they accelerating towards each other because of gravity, but they are also increasing their acceleration as they get closer to each other.

I am sure calculus will be involved and that's fine. What's the simplest method that you would use to solve a problem where force changes with distance/time?

Thanks!
 
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Well, you might do it like this:
Call the spheres A and B, and let the origin of the coordinate system lie at the midpoint of the line segment defined by their centres.
Calling the sphere centres' positions as functions of time x_{A}(t),x_{B}(t), x_{A}(0)=-5,x_{B}(0)=5[/tex], respectively, we define the distance function between them as:<br /> D(t)=x_{B}(t)-x_{A(t), D(0)=D_{0}=10<br /> <br /> Setting up Newton&#039;s 2.law for both, we get, with unit masses:<br /> \frac{d^{2}x_{A}}{dt^{2}}=\frac{G}{D^{2}}, \frac{d^{2}x_{B}}{dt^{2}}=-\frac{G}{D^{2}}<br /> whereby the equation for d(t) is readily derived:<br /> \frac{d^{2}D}{dt^{2}=-\frac{2G}{D^{2}} (*)<br /> <br /> We assume that the initial velocities are 0, i.e, \frac{dD}{dt}\mid_{t=0}=0<br /> <br /> Let us multiply (*) with dD/dt:<br /> \frac{d^{2}D}{dt^{2}}\frac{dD}{dt}=-\frac{2G}{D^{2}}\frac{dD}{dt}<br /> <br /> Integrating both sides from t=0 to some arbitrary t-value, taking due notice of the initial conditions, yields:<br /> \frac{1}{2}(\frac{dD}{dt})^{2}=\frac{2G}{D}-\frac{2G}{D_{0}}<br /> <br /> multiplying with two, taking the square root and remembering that D(t) will be decreasing, we get the diff. eq:<br /> \frac{dD}{dt}=-\sqrt{\frac{4G}{D_{0}}\sqrt{\frac{D_{0}-D}{D}}<br /> This is a separable diff.eq; we write:<br /> \sqrt{\frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}dD=-\sqrt{\frac{4G}{D_{0}}dt<br /> <br /> We now remember that when they spheres make contact, D(T)=2, where T is the time we&#039;re looking for!<br /> <br /> Thus, we get the equation for T, integrating both sides:<br /> \int_{10}^{2}\sqrt{\frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}dD=-\sqrt{\frac{4G}{D_{0}}T, or, equivalently:<br /> T=\sqrt{\frac{D_{0}}{4G}}\int_{2}^{10}\sqrt{\frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}dD (**)<br /> <br /> In order to crack that integral, let us set:<br /> u=\sqrt{\frac{D}{D_{0}-D}}\to{D}=D_{0}-\frac{D_{0}}{1+u^{2}}<br /> Thus, dD=\frac{D_{0}2u}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du<br /> The limits are D=10\to{u}=\infty,D=2\to{u}=\frac{1}{2}<br /> We thereby get the expression for T in u:<br /> T=D_{0}\sqrt{\frac{D_{0}}{G}}\int_{\frac{1}{2}}^{\infty}\frac{u^{2}du}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}<br /> <br /> This can quite readily be solved by standard techniques.
 
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I will guess 92,249.8 seconds from numerical integration.

edit: I left out a constant. I get 2,917,196 seconds.
 
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Well, we can make it a bit more explicit than that, Bob S!

We have:
\int\frac{1}{1+u^{2}}du=\frac{u}{1+u^{2}}+\int\frac{2u^{2}}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du, by doing integration by parts.
Therefore, we get:
\int\frac{u^{2}}{(1+u^{2})^{2}}du=\frac{1}{2}(\arctan(u)-\frac{u}{1+u^{2}})+C

whereby we get:
T=\frac{10^{\frac{3}{2}}}{2\sqrt{G}}(\frac{\pi}{2}-\arctan(\frac{1}{2})+\frac{2}{5})
 

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