An integral rewritten (from “Almost impossible integrals“, p.59 in Valean)

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The discussion focuses on understanding a specific integral transformation involving a term with a minus one in its expression. Participants are exploring the implications of this transformation, particularly in relation to derivatives and the resulting expressions in the context of integrals, with references to the harmonic series.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the origin of the minus one in the right-hand side (RHS) term, linking it to the derivative notation and the antiderivative of x^(n-1).
  • Another participant points out that the numerator contains (1-x^n), contrasting it with a previous expression involving (x^n-1)'.
  • A participant expresses confusion about how the minus one contributes to the transformation from the RHS to the left-hand side (LHS) in the first line.
  • Some participants suggest that the minus one is a "trick" that disappears upon differentiation, implying that any constant could be used instead.
  • Concerns are raised about the legality of this trick, with one participant noting that using a different constant would not yield the desired result, specifically the harmonic series.
  • Another participant elaborates that the transformation involves rewriting x^(n-1) as (1/n)(x^n - C)', where C is a constant, and asserts that this is valid for any constant C.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity and implications of the transformation involving the minus one. While some accept it as a valid technique, others question its legality and the necessity of choosing a specific constant to achieve the desired result.

Contextual Notes

There is an unresolved discussion regarding the implications of using different constants in the integral transformation and how it affects the outcome, particularly in relation to the harmonic series.

Pnin
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I want to understand where the minus 1 in the first line in the RHS term comes from.
I assume the little apostrophe means taking a derivative. But the antiderivative of x^(n-1) is (1/n)x^n. Why the -1?

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It has ##(1-x^n)## in the numerator while the previous expression has ##(x^n-1)'##.
 
This I understand. But I do not understand the first line.

How does the -1 come up in the RHS giving the LHS in the first line?
 
It's a trick. The -1 vanishes upon differentiation. You could have written any number there instead.
 
SchroedingersLion said:
It's a trick. The -1 vanishes upon differentiation. You could have written any number there instead.

Ok. I never saw that trick before. But if I had written another number I would not have gotten the desired result, the harmonic series. So is that really a legal trick which allows you getting different values from a definite integral?
 
Pnin said:
Ok. I never saw that trick before. But if I had written another number I would not have gotten the desired result, the harmonic series. So is that really a legal trick which allows you getting different values from a definite integral?
Well, me neither, but this is what happens. From the first integral to the second integral, they simply rewrite ##x^{n-1}## as ##\frac 1 n (x^n - C)'## with ##C## as a constant (i.e. 1 in your case). If you take the derivative of ##\frac 1 n (x^n - C)## you obtain ##x^{n-1}## for any constant ##C##, so the RHS and LHS of your first line are equal. They are choosing a particular ##C##, i.e. 1, because it helps in the following steps. As an exercise, try to do it with another constant, then you might see why there was just one logical choice that simplifies the calculation.
 
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