Angular momentum, moment of inertia etc.

Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The problem involves a spaceship in a gravity-free region, featuring a rotating thin-walled cylinder. The cylinder's rotation creates an apparent gravity equivalent to that of Earth. The discussion covers the minimum work required to initiate the cylinder's spin, the effects of an astronaut climbing a spoke on the apparent gravity, and the trajectory of the astronaut if they release themselves halfway up the spoke.

Discussion Character

  • Mixed

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the relationship between angular velocity, kinetic energy, and moment of inertia for part (a). There is discussion about the conservation of angular momentum for part (b). For part (c), questions arise regarding the astronaut's trajectory and the angle of displacement upon release.

Discussion Status

Some participants provide feedback on the original poster's attempts, suggesting reconsideration of certain calculations. There is acknowledgment of the astronaut's tangential velocity and the geometry involved in determining the impact point on the cylinder. Multiple interpretations of the astronaut's path are being explored, with some participants confirming the validity of the original poster's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of provided answers for the problems, leading to a collaborative effort in verifying calculations and understanding the concepts involved. There is also mention of the astronaut's experience of free space and its implications on their motion.

Zell2
Messages
28
Reaction score
0

Homework Statement


A spaceship is located in a gravity free region of space. It consists of a large diameter, thin walled cylinder which is rotating freely. It is spinning at a speed such that the apparent gravity on the inner surface is the same as that on earth. The cylinder is of radius r and mass M.
(a) discuss the minimum total work which had to be done to get the cylinder spinning.

(b) radial spokes of negligible mass, connect the cylinder to the centre of rotation. An astronaught of mass m cllimbs a spoke to the centre. What will the fractional change in the appearant gravity on the surface of the cylinder?

(c)If the astronaught climbs halfway up a spoke and let's go how far from the base of the spoke will he hit the cylinder, assuming the astronaught is point-like?

Homework Equations


omega.r=0 so that means all the normal equations simplify out nicely.

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm doing this question for revision, so since no answers are provided I'd be grateful if someone could check my answers for (a) and (b):

for (a): I used acceleration as a function of angular velocity and kinetic energy as a function of moment of inertia and angular velocity to get:
ke=0.25Mgr

for (b) using conservation of angluar momentum:
sorry for the mess, I couldn't get latex to come out right (I'll head off to read the introduction angain now!):
a/a0 = (1+m/M)^2
where a0 is original acceleration

I'm not really sure how to start with part (c), so if someone could give me an idea how to start that would be nice.
Thanks
 
Last edited:
Physics news on Phys.org
I've not checked your answers to (a) and (b), but for question (c) you may wish to consider the astronauts tangential velocity...:wink:

Edit: Just looking through your post, you may wish to reconsider you answer to (a), your almost there. What is the moment of inertia for a thin walled cylinder?
 
Last edited:
edit: ignore this post, previously contained a wrong post by me.
 
Last edited:
edit, just looked at edit by hootenanny, doh! thanks for pointing that out.
so (a) should be 0.5mgr
(b) is still (1+ m/M)^2

(c) Since the astronaught's in free space they experience no acceleration, let w= angular velocity,
v=wr/2
distance he travels before hitting the rim using pythag:
d=root(3)/2*r
time=root(3)/w
angle progressed by base of spoke= root(3)

using more trig, the angle subtended by the astronaught to the centre relative to where he originally was is pi/3,
therefore the arc length between them is (root(3)-pi/3)r and it's straight forward to find out the actual straight line length using more trig.

Could someone please let me know if the above is along the right lines, thanks
 
Last edited:
Zell2 said:
so I just need to work out the angle the astronaught advances if that makes any sense.
No you don't. This is one and the same;
Zell2 said:
angle progressed by base of spoke= root(3)
Since the astronaut is traveling tangentally (in a straight line) he impacts the rim and an angular displacement of [itex]\theta=\sqrt{3}[/itex] from the base of the spoke. Do you follow?
 
I don't sorry. I've attatched a diagram of what I thinks happening, hopefully this will make it clearer where I'm going wrong.
 

Attachments

  • untitled.JPG
    untitled.JPG
    9.1 KB · Views: 490
Zell2 said:
edit, just looked at edit by hootenanny, doh! thanks for pointing that out.
so (a) should be 0.5mgr
(b) is still (1+ m/M)^2
Spot on, looks good to me. I'm just waiting for your attachment to be approved by a mentor.
 
Last edited:
Didn't realize attatchments had to be approved, it's really not a masterpiece anyway.
My thinking was that he's releasing himself from halfway up a spoke, so his path forms a triangle, with hypotenuse r and a smaller side r/2, so the anglular displacement= arccos(0.5)= pi/3
Thanks for your help.
 
Just looked at your attachment now. Yeah, your diagram and working looks good to me, I did it a slightly different way but arrived an the same answer (eventually):smile:. So your answer of [itex]S = (\sqrt{3}-\pi/3)r[/itex] is correct. Sorry for any confusion.

I also forgot to welcome you to the Forums, and thank you for using the posting Template provided :smile:
 
Last edited:
  • #10
Thank you for your help.
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
2K
Replies
12
Views
3K
Replies
13
Views
3K
Replies
335
Views
17K
  • · Replies 40 ·
2
Replies
40
Views
6K
  • · Replies 13 ·
Replies
13
Views
3K
  • · Replies 45 ·
2
Replies
45
Views
4K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
2K
Replies
6
Views
1K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K