Angular Momentum of a Comet Around the Sun

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves the angular momentum of a comet as it moves in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. The original poster describes a scenario where the comet's position and velocity change as it approaches and moves away from the Sun, leading to questions about how to calculate its speed at different points in its orbit.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to set the angular momenta equal to each other to solve for the comet's speed at a different position, questioning the role of the angle θ in the calculations.
  • Some participants suggest that the angle θ is significant in the context of the cross product used in angular momentum calculations, prompting further exploration of its implications.
  • There is a discussion about how to incorporate θ into the equations, with suggestions on modifying the angular momentum equation to account for the angle.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the relationship between the angle θ and the angular momentum equations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the importance of θ and how it affects the calculations, but no consensus has been reached on the final approach to solving for v2.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. The original poster has also indicated a lack of familiarity with uploading diagrams, which may affect the clarity of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


(a) A certain comet of mass m at its closest approach to the Sun is observed to be at a distance r1 from the center of the Sun, moving with speed v1. At a later time the comet is observed to be at a distance r2 from the center of the Sun, and the angle between rvec2 and the velocity vector is measured to be θ. What is v2? Do not worry about italics. For example, if a variable g is used in the question, type g. Use theta for θ, r_1 for r1, r_2 for r2, v_1 for v1 and m as needed.

I'm not sure how to upload diagrams yet, but if I figure it out I will post the diagram itself here. Until then I'll describe it as best I can:
There is a picture of the sun in an ellipse which is very wide and very short, this is the comet's path. The radius from the sun (which is positioned about 1/4 of the way in from the leftmost side) to the leftmost side of the ellipse is r_1. Going up from this point on the ellipse is an arrow labeled v_1 in the positive y direction. r_2 goes from the sun to another point on the ellipse in a NE type direction. There is an arrow coming off of this point labeled v_2 going in the positive x direction. The angle created by r_2 and v_2 is theta (it would be the acute angle as the 2 lines cross).



Homework Equations


L_1=L_2
I_1w=I_2w or r_1Xmv_1=r_2Xmv_2


The Attempt at a Solution


I figured I would set the 2 angular momentums equal after cross multiplying, then solve for v_2 algebraically, but I get the feeling that theta is important, and I'm not sure how it factors in. If someone could help me figure this out it would be so helpful!
 

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Hello Geoanth3,

Welcome to Physics Forums!

Geoanth3 said:
I figured I would set the 2 angular momentums equal after cross multiplying, then solve for v_2 algebraically, but I get the feeling that theta is important, and I'm not sure how it factors in. If someone could help me figure this out it would be so helpful!

Your intuition is correct. :approve: Theta turns out to be important, particularly in your

[tex]\vec{r_1} \times m \vec{v_1} = \vec{r_2} \times m \vec{v_2}[/tex]

equation. It's in the definition of the cross product. Remember the magnitude of r x mv is only equal to rmv if r and v are perfectly perpendicular. Otherwise the answer is also a function of θ. :wink:
 
So would it be more like r1Xmv1=r2v2sin(theta)? Then solve for v2?
 
Geoanth3 said:
So would it be more like r1Xmv1=r2v2sin(theta)? Then solve for v2?

Sounds about right to me. :approve:

(Don't forget the 'm' though on the right side of the equation [or instead, remove the m on the left side of the equation]).
 
Yay, it worked! Thanks for the help :)
 

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