Angular Velocity of Electrically Powered Motor

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The discussion revolves around the angular velocity of an electrically powered motor, specifically considering the relationship between electrical power, torque, and angular velocity in the context of a coil of wire in a magnetic field. Participants explore the implications of Faraday's Law and the effects of induction on the motor's behavior.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes an equation for angular velocity based on electrical power, torque, and the characteristics of the motor, incorporating the effects of a commutator.
  • Another participant challenges the validity of the initial assumptions, noting that the motion of the coil contributes to the voltage, which complicates the relationship.
  • A subsequent reply acknowledges the impact of Faraday's Law on the generated electric potential and questions the feasibility of deriving a simpler equation.
  • Another participant suggests that including induction leads to a torque dependent on both angle and angular velocity, resulting in a differential equation that could be averaged over a cycle for a solution.
  • One participant asks for clarification on the specific type of motor being discussed, indicating the diversity of motor designs and their operational principles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assumptions regarding voltage and torque in the context of motor operation, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain without a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the complexity introduced by induction and friction, as well as the need to consider specific motor types, which may affect the applicability of the proposed equations.

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Hello! This isn't a homework question, and I don't think it is too homework-like, but if I'm mistaken I apologize. My question is if you had a battery, or some source of electrical energy, hooked up to a coil of wire in a constant magnetic field, in such a way that the wire spins around (basically an electric motor), would this be a correct equation for angular velocity of the motor? (I have heard electric motors have something called a Commutator on them so that even a direct current will switch directions periodically, so let's assume this is part of my hypothetical motor).

The power from the battery will be ##P=V^{2}/R## where ##V## is the voltage of the battery, ##R## is the total resistance. Power is also the inner product of the torque and angular velocity ##P={\tau}{\cdot}{\omega}##. The magnitude of torque produced by a current in a magnetic field I looked up in my notes as ##{\tau}=N(V/R)ABsin({\theta})## , where ##{\theta}## is the angle between the a unit normal vector of the area of the loop, ##A##, and the magnitude of the magnetic field, ##B##, ##N## is the number of turns of wire for the loop and ##V/R## is equal to the current going through it. So plugging that torque into the definition of power gives you ##V^{2}/R=N(V/R)ABsin({\theta})n{\cdot}{\omega}## , where ##n## is a vector pointing in the direction of torque. Simplifying and solving for ##{\omega}## gives ##n{\cdot}{\omega}={\frac{V}{NAB}}csc{\theta}##.

Is this correct, or have I made a mistake? Thank you!
 
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RI=V is no longer valid as the motion of the coil in the field will contribute to the voltage.
Also, ##\omega## is not constant as torque depends on the orientation of the coil.
 
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Thank you for the quick reply! Right, due to Faraday's Law an electric potential is generated, completely forgot about that. Would it be possible to figure an equation like this out or will it just become more and more complicated?
 
If you include induction, you get a torque that depends on both the angle and the angular velocity. This leads to a differential equation. If you also add some friction, it might be possible to average over one cycle, then the equation should have a nice solution.
 
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****There are many motors-- things that translate electrical energy to mechanical energy. Which one do you have in mind?
 
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