Answer to an SHM Problem Does Not Fit Into Original Situation

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A particle in simple harmonic motion (SHM) experiences an increase in kinetic energy due to an impulsive force while at a distance of (√3/2)A from the mean position. The total energy of the system remains constant, leading to a new amplitude calculation. Initially, the speed of the particle at the given position is Aω/2, but after the impulse, it becomes (√5)Aω/2, indicating a new amplitude of (√5)A. The confusion arises because the position after the impulse no longer corresponds to the same angle in the SHM cycle, necessitating the introduction of a phase angle for continuity. Ultimately, the new amplitude is confirmed to be A' = A√2, aligning with the adjusted phase angle.
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Homework Statement


A particle performs SHM of amplitude A along a straight line. When it is at a distance (√3/2)A from the mean position, its kinetic energy gets increased by an amount (0.5)mω2A2 due to an impulsive force. Then its new amplitude becomes?


Homework Equations


The basic idea is that the total energy (KE + PE) of a system in SHM remains constant.

Also of use:
v = Aω*cos(ωt)
vmax = Aω, in an SHM of angular frequency ω and amplitude A.
Kinetic Energy = 1/2(mv2)

The Attempt at a Solution


So, once the system gains the given amount of extra energy, it's total energy becomes mω2A'2.
Which means the amplitude A' will be equal to (√2)A (that is assuming that the value of ω does not change...which makes complete sense).

But, I run into a little problem when I try to use this result in the original situation:
I figured out that the speed of the particle at the position given (before the impulse) would be Aω/2. After the addition of kinetic energy given in the problem, the speed will become \frac{(√5)Aω}{2}. Comparing this with the first equation I've listed, that implies that A' = (√5)A (because ω doesn't change).

...What went wrong??
 
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Prior to the impulse, the physical position of the mass corresponded to some angle ωt. That is,

## \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}A = A sin(ω t)##

and angle θ = ωt turned out to be 60 degrees.

After the impulse adds energy to the system, the amplitude increases and this particular physical location no longer corresponds to an angle of 60 degrees in the cycle, so you can't assume that cos(ωt) will still be 1/2.

Edit: In order to maintain timeline continuity, the "new" equation for the position of the object would have to incorporate a phase angle so that the 'before' and 'after' equations meet seamlessly at the impulse instant. Suppose the impulse occurs at time tx, then

##x(t) = Asin(ω t) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~0 \le t < t_x##
##x(t) = A'sin(ω t + \phi)~~~~~~~~~~t \ge t_x##
 
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The kinetic energy at that point is 1/8 m ω^2 A^2. You increase it by 1/2 m ω^2A^2, so you increase its velocity by a factor of sqrt(5).

The position where the particle gets its kick is ##\frac{\sqrt{3}{2}}## of the initial amplitude, this is ##\sqrt\frac{3}{8}}## of the new amplitude (using A'=√2*A). There, the particle has 5/8 of its total energy as kinetic energy and its velocity is the value you calculated.

Short version:
(√3/2)A != (√3/2)A'
 
OK, so this is where I was going wrong:


A'ω cos(new phase angle) = ((√5)/2)Aω

And the "new phase angle" will adjust itself so that this relation is true for A' = A√2.
In fact, the "new phase angle" will be such that:

A' sin(new phase angle) = ((√3)/2)A


Oh...clarity!
Thanks, guys. :)
 
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