Antiderivative of arctan and x function (by parts maybe? )

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of the function 2xarctan(8x), with participants exploring the use of integration by parts as a potential method. The original poster expresses confusion after attempting the integration and encountering a circular result.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the application of integration by parts and the challenges faced in simplifying the resulting integrals. There are suggestions to isolate the original integral and to consider different substitutions for simplification.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on potential algebraic manipulations and substitutions. There is acknowledgment of mistakes and attempts to clarify the integration process, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

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Some participants note the importance of including a constant of integration and suggest using specific rules for choosing substitution variables. The original poster's confusion highlights the complexity of the problem and the iterative nature of finding the antiderivative.

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antiderivative of arctan and x function (by parts... maybe??!)

find antiderivative of 2xarctan(8x)

{ = antiderivative s thing.

I did it by parts at first and got

Code:
x^2arctan(8x) - 8 * { (x^2)/(1+64x^2)

To get the antiderivative of the second part i did it by parts again and that ended up bringing me back to the same equation that i first derived.
Im pretty lost here so any help would be really appreciated!
Thanks!
 
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Assuming I'm understanding your work correctly:

Original integral = Blah minus Original Integral.

Correct?

If so, just isolate the original integral by adding it to both sides and divide by two. Simple algebra hidden in calculus. ;)

Edit: Don't forget to throw a + C in there too, since it is an indefinite integral.

Edit Numero Two: I just went through the problem, and I had initially thought it was harder than it is. Just make u = 1+64x^2 in the second integral and you should have no problem.
 
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You're right that you need to use integration by parts and you're going about it correctly as far as I can tell. You just need to take the integral of your v*du and add your constant.
 
alright so gave er a shot (or a hundred).
Heres where I am at :

After first integration by parts:
x^2arctan(8x) - 8 * { (x^2)/(1+64x^2)

Now only the second part integration by parts:
-8 * { (x^2)/(1+64x^2)
dv = 1 / (64x^2+1) u = x^2
v = arctan(8x)/8 du= 2x

-8 * [ x^2*arctan(8x)/8 - { 2x*arctan(8x)/8 ]
= -x^2*arctan(8x) + { 2x*arctan(8x)

Note: To find the solution add back in the x^2arctan(8x) of the equation in the code box of my first post (took it out just to find the antiverivative of second half).

this yields:
x^2arctan(8x) - x^2*arctan(8x) + { 2x*arctan(8x)
= { 2x*arctan(8x)
which is the original problem.

Sorry for being such a hassell! Thanks for your help i really appreciate it!
 
When your integral becomes

<br /> <br /> - \int \frac{8x^2}{64x^2 +1}dx<br /> <br />

you should be able to simplify that without using integration by parts again, any ideas?
 
Unfortunately, in this case, Cemar, that results in 0 = 0, which does not help you much. Like I edited above, just use the LIPET rule for u substitutions (logarithms, inverse trig, polynomials, exponentials, trig--in that order) to decide on a u value and do a simple integration.
 
I came back and looked at this after finishing my meal (I had been multitasking earlier), and I noticed that I made a mistake in my work before. :P

Like RyanSchw was saying, just evaluate that integral (I personally used partial fractions, though I'm sure there may be other methods) and you should be good to go!
 
Thanks! you guys are awesome!
=)
 

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