Apparent vs. actual speed for moving star

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of Special Relativity, specifically focusing on the apparent speed of a star as observed from Earth. The problem involves understanding the relationship between the actual speed of the star and the speed perceived by astronomers due to the time it takes for light to travel from the star to Earth.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the apparent speed of the star using the relationship between distance traveled and time taken, questioning the validity of their approach in the context of the problem. Some participants suggest that the problem may be missing a parallax measurement, while others believe a symbolic solution is sufficient. There is also a mention of the relationship between the apparent speed and the angle θ, particularly in relation to maximizing the apparent speed.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships involved, but there is no explicit consensus on whether additional information is needed or if the problem can be solved symbolically.

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There are indications that participants are questioning the completeness of the problem statement, particularly regarding the inclusion of necessary measurements or assumptions. The original poster expresses confusion about the implications of their findings in relation to the problem's requirements.

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This is for a classed called Special Relativity and Math Methods. This problem doesn't involve special relativity though, since it's all from the same frame of reference.

1. Homework Statement

Every 2 years, more or less, The New York Times publishes an article in which some astronomer claims to have found an object traveling faster than the speed of light. Many of these reports result from a failure to distinguish what is seen from what actually happens– that is, from a failure to account for light travel time. Here’s an example: A star is traveling with speed v at an angle θ to the line of sight from Earth. Astronomers on Earth observe the star thanks to the light it emits, which travels from the moving star to their telescopes. The figure below shows the situation, with the thick arrow denoting the path of the star, and the vertical thin arrows denoting the light rays seen by the astronomers.

(a) What is the star’s apparent speed across the sky? Let me clarify a bit: Let a and b be two positions along the star’s path. Suppose the light signal from point a reaches the Earth at time Ta while the signal from point b arrives at time Tb. LetΔT≡Tb–Ta be the difference between these arrival times. Further, let Δs be the distance the star traveled across the celestial sphere between points a and b, i.e., the distance it moved in the only direction the astronomers can perceive: perpendicular to their line of sight. The apparent speed of the star is Δs/ΔT→that’s what you need to calculate.​

(b) What angle θ gives the maximum apparent speed?

(c) Show explicitly that the apparent speed can be much greater than c, even if v itself is less than c. Hint: a quick way to accomplish this is by finding specific values of v and θ that give the result you seek.

Here's the included diagram:
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The Attempt at a Solution



In my attempt I considered the path of the star to simply be ##v\Delta{T}##, giving it the same units as ##\Delta{S}##. The apparent speed of the star is ##\frac{\Delta{S}}{\Delta{T}}##

$$sin \theta=\frac{\Delta{S}}{v \Delta{T}}$$

So

$$\frac{\Delta{S}}{\Delta{T}}=v_{apparent}=v sin \theta$$

This seems valid to me, but it doesn't make sense in the context of the rest of the problem. Obviously for part b the maximum speed would be when ##sin \theta=1##, which is at 90 degrees. But part c states that this relationship can show an apparent speed much greater than c, which this equation does not show, given that v is less than c.

Any input would be very appreciated!
 
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The problem statement's missing a parallax distance/measurement somewhere. @marcus
 
I didn't really get the impression that it was missing any information. I think they're just looking for a symbolic solution here.
 
o:) Nothing missing.
QuantumCurt said:
v apparent =vsinθ
sinθ = 0 to 1; vapp/(0 to 1) = "v. "
 

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