Applications of abstract algebra to engineering

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The discussion explores the applications of abstract algebra in engineering, focusing on various mathematical concepts such as vector spaces and group theory. Participants share examples and contexts where these mathematical frameworks are utilized, particularly in fields like computational fluid dynamics (CFD), finite element analysis (FEA), and vibration analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that vector spaces are a fundamental subset of abstract algebra widely used across scientific fields, particularly in CFD and FEA, as well as in electrical engineering related to control systems.
  • Group theory is mentioned as applicable to problems involving complicated symmetries, particularly in analyzing vibration patterns of circular disks and fans with multiple blades.
  • One participant describes a complex scenario involving the interaction of traveling wave patterns and rotating disks, highlighting the challenges of modeling these systems mathematically.
  • Another participant notes that modular arithmetic could also fall under the umbrella of abstract algebra, suggesting its relevance in modern engineering applications, such as in computer systems.
  • There is a request for clarification on how group theory can be applied to the vibration patterns discussed, indicating a need for further exploration of this connection.
  • A mention of binary coding as an example of abstract algebra applications in engineering is introduced, though details are not elaborated upon.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the applications of abstract algebra, with some agreement on the relevance of vector spaces and group theory. However, there is no consensus on specific applications or the modeling of complex systems, as some participants seek further clarification and exploration of these ideas.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the definitions and scope of abstract algebra, particularly regarding what constitutes its applications in engineering. There are unresolved questions about the modeling techniques and the specific mathematical frameworks that can be applied to the scenarios discussed.

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I was wondering if there are any applications of abstract algebra to engineering and where I can go to learn about them?
 
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First obvious subset of abstract algebra would be vector spaces. But just about every scientific field uses advances from that area. But where it is most used would be CFD and FEA. Also, Electrical Engineering and any engineering to do with controls (namely state space methods).

Where can you learn about them? Google.
 
There are some applications of group theory to problems with complcated symmetries.

For example, there are vibration patterns of a circular disk supported at the center, with N radial and M cirumferential nodal lines, for any integers N >= 0 and M >= 0. That's simple enough.

Now consider the vibration patterns of something like a fan with K identical blades mounted on a central hub. There are analogous sets vibration patterns, but they are not so obvious because every blade may be vibrating in a different way, for example if there are no common factors between the number of blades and the number of radial "nodal lines".

Now consider the case where these vibration patterns are rotating around the disk as traveling waves, rather than forming a "stationary" vibration pattern"

Now consider the disk is also rotatiing, but not at the same speed as the waves are rotating around it.

And finally couple several of these together one flexible rotor, with different numbers of blades in each disk...

Some general theory of to how to keep track of what is going on is quite useful here :smile:

It gets even more interesting when you make the more realistic assumption that the blades are only approximately identical, to within manufacturing tolerances etc.
 
I suppose it kinda depends on your idea of abstract algebra, by my book includes modular arithmetic.

So in reading this on you miracle of modern engineering - your pc - you are using abstract algebra.
 
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There are some applications of group theory to problems with complcated symmetries.

For example, there are vibration patterns of a circular disk supported at the center, with N radial and M cirumferential nodal lines, for any integers N >= 0 and M >= 0. That's simple enough.

Now consider the vibration patterns of something like a fan with K identical blades mounted on a central hub. There are analogous sets vibration patterns, but they are not so obvious because every blade may be vibrating in a different way, for example if there are no common factors between the number of blades and the number of radial "nodal lines".

Now consider the case where these vibration patterns are rotating around the disk as traveling waves, rather than forming a "stationary" vibration pattern"

Now consider the disk is also rotatiing, but not at the same speed as the waves are rotating around it.

And finally couple several of these together one flexible rotor, with different numbers of blades in each disk...

Some general theory of to how to keep track of what is going on is quite useful here :smile:

It gets even more interesting when you make the more realistic assumption that the blades are only approximately identical, to within manufacturing tolerances etc.

I'm not seeing how you could model this using groups.

Mind explaining it a bit more?
 
In the book I'm just going through, one of the examples in the exercises is binary coding.
 

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