Approximation of a Circle's Circumference

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The discussion revolves around a proposed method for approximating the circumference of a circle using visual perspective, angles, and the law of sines. Participants explore the implications of this method, its mathematical formulation, and the underlying assumptions involved.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a formula for calculating the circumference of a circle based on an angle of 18 degrees and the law of sines, introducing variables R, r, h, and t.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the validity of the method, questioning the definitions of h and t, and suggesting that they may rely on the presumed value of pi.
  • A third participant elaborates on the concept of visual perception in measuring circle attributes, proposing a relationship between two circles (Circle A and Circle B) and their respective radii based on distance and angles.
  • The same participant suggests that the ratios derived from the triangles formed by these circles can lead to a series of formulas approximating the circumference and relationships between the circles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the validity of the proposed method. There are competing views regarding the assumptions and calculations involved, with some participants questioning the foundational aspects of the approach.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear definitions of variables h and t, the dependence on visual perception, and the unresolved nature of the mathematical relationships presented.

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I've found a new way for finding the circumference of a circle by using a visual perspective ,an angle of 18 degrees, and law of sines, its formula is:

R is the radius of the circle
r is the new radius
C is the Circumference
h=17.7062683767
t=3.23606808139

(R/h)= r
(r/t)*360=C

with an error of 0.005079643% compared to C=pi*d because:
(180/(h*d))= 3.14143307999

3.14143307999/pi=.999949206146

example
R=6
6/h=.338863043999=r
(r/t)*360=37.6971969599=C
(pi*d)12*pi=37.6991118431

37.6971969599/37.6991118431=.999949206146:smile:
 
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If we want to play around with figures, I guess we can get about anything we want.

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phi-lin good said:
I've found a new way for finding the circumference of a circle by using a visual perspective ,an angle of 18 degrees, and law of sines, its formula is:

R is the radius of the circle
r is the new radius
C is the Circumference
h=17.7062683767
t=3.23606808139

(R/h)= r
(r/t)*360=C
I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps a picture would have helped. I assume that you have two circles of radius r and R- but why only one "circumference"? Are you saying you have two different circles with common center? What are "h" and "t" and how did you find those values. If you got h and t from trig functions, you are "begging the question". Those values are calculated from the presumed value of pi.

with an error of 0.005079643% compared to C=pi*d because:
(180/(h*d))= 3.14143307999

3.14143307999/pi=.999949206146

example
R=6
6/h=.338863043999=r
(r/t)*360=37.6971969599=C
(pi*d)12*pi=37.6991118431

37.6971969599/37.6991118431=.999949206146:smile:
 
I used visual perception to calculate the circumference. Now I imagined if I walked a certain distance from the circle and measured its attributes from that distance and create a circle with these attributes, it will have a different radius and angle, but you can prove that the different attributes describe the same circle by mapping the dilation points of both circles. Taking this idea, I drew a circle (Circle A) and made an 18, 72, 90 right triangle with 18 degrees at the origin. At a certain distance 18 degrees can perceived as 1 degree. At this distance if you where to create a circle (Circle B) and measure its radius, the ratio of the radius of Circle A and Circle B is 17.7062683767 which equals h (h was just letter I picked). So if you divide the radius of Circle A by h, it will give you the radius of Circle B. Now in an 18, 72, 90 right triangle the length of the hypotenuse and the leg in the y-axis ratio is 3.23606808139 which equals t (again a letter I just picked). Since the hypotenuse equals the radius of the circle, the radius of Circle B divided by t represents the length of the leg corresponds to 18 degrees which also corresponds to 1 degree of Circle A and if you multiply the length by h, you will get the length that corresponds to 18 degrees of Circle A.

Using this information you can make a series of formulas

Circle A has a radius of R and Circle B has a radius of r
If r=R/h and h equals 17.7062683767

Then
r/t*360 ~ Circumference of Circle A
R*sin(1) ~ r*sin(18)
180/(t*h) ~ Pi
h*r*sin(18)~R*sin(18)
h*r*cos(18)~R*cos(18)

~ means approximation
 

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