Arc diameter as a function of arc length and chord length

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around deriving a formula to determine the diameter of a bicycle tire based on the carcass width and the interior width of the rim. The focus is on the mathematical relationships between these dimensions, particularly through the use of trigonometric functions and the Sagitta Theorem.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a derivation involving the relationship between the interior rim width (w), the radius (r), and the angle (θ) formed by the arc of the tire.
  • Another participant suggests looking up the Sagitta Theorem as a potential avenue for solving the problem.
  • A participant expresses concern that the Sagitta Theorem introduces another unknown, as they do not know the Sagitta length.
  • There is acknowledgment that the problem may lead to a transcendental equation for r, indicating that a numerical or graphical solution might be necessary.
  • One participant expresses readiness to work with a graphical solution based on the insights shared.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on a definitive formula or method to eliminate the variable r. There are multiple approaches suggested, but the discussion remains unresolved regarding the best path forward.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of the relationships involved and the potential need for numerical methods, as well as the introduction of additional unknowns when applying certain theorems.

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I'm trying to come up with a formula that defines a bike tire's diameter as a function of interior rim width and tire carcass width
I'm trying to determine if a certain bicycle tire size will fit my bike, and that determination is based on the inflated diameter (or width) of the tire. As such, I'm trying to come up with a formula that will give me the diameter of a bicycle tire as a function of the tire's carcass width and the interior width of the rim. In the attached drawing, w is the interior rim width and S is the width of the tire carcass and the length of the arc ABC. I'm trying to derive the formula as a function of the only two knowns: w and S. Here's my derivation so far:
w=2r*sin(θ/2)
θ=2*arcsin[w/(2r)]
α=2π-θ=2π-2*arcsin[w/(2r)]

r=S/α

r=S/{2π-2*arcsin[w/(2r)]}

I can't see how to eliminate r.
 

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Look up Sagitta Theorem
 
That's just seems to introduce another unknown. I don't know the Sagitta length.
 
I can't see how to eliminate r.
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Looks like you do end up with a transcendental equation for r. My bad.
But you do have a solution albeit a numerical (or graphical) one.
 
Ok. I suspected that might the case. I can work with a graphical solution.

Thanks.
 

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