Are Kinetic and Potential Energy Densities Equal in Stationary Waves?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between kinetic and potential energy densities in stationary waves, specifically questioning whether they are equal. The context is rooted in wave mechanics, particularly focusing on the properties of stationary waves derived from the wave equation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the relationship between kinetic and potential energy densities using the wave equation and the general form of stationary waves. Some participants question the form of the stationary wave equation used and whether it aligns with standard definitions.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the stationary wave equation and its implications for energy density. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and forms of stationary waves, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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There are indications of uncertainty regarding the correct form of the stationary wave equation and its derivation, as well as the implications of the energy density relationship. The original poster expresses concern about the validity of their approach.

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Homework Statement


Show that the potential and kinetic energy densities for a stationary wave are not equal.

Homework Equations


A) The 1-D Wave Equation:
$$ \frac{\partial^{2} \psi}{\partial x^{2}} = \frac{1}{v^{2}} \frac{\partial^{2}\psi}{\partial t^{2}}$$
B) The general form of a stationary wave: (?)
$$ \psi(x,t) = f(x+vt) +f(x-vt) $$

C)Formula for total energy density in a stationary wave: (w)
$$ w = \frac{\mu}{2}\bigg[ v^{2}\big(\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x} \big)^{2}+\big( \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} \big)^{2} \bigg] $$

The Attempt at a Solution


i) Work out the partial derivatives of ## \psi(x,t) ##
Let $$ z_{0} =x+vt , z_{1}=x-vt $$

$$ \implies \psi(x,t) = f(z_{0})+f(z_{1}) $$
$$ \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x} = f'(z_{0})+f'(z_{1}) $$
$$ \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} = v[f'(z_{0}) -f'(z_{1})] $$

ii) If the kinetic and potential energy densities are equal it implies:

$$ v^{2} \big(\frac{\partial \psi}{\partial x} \big)^{2} = \big( \frac{\partial \psi}{\partial t} \big)^{2} $$

iii) So substitute the values from i) into this, get:

$$ [f'(z_{0})+f'(z_{1})]^{2} = [f'(z_{0})-f'(z_{1})]^{2} $$

Which is not, in general true, therefore proved?

But I'm not sure I used the correct form for the equation of the stationary wave, or is this still acceptable?

Thanks!
 
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I think the equation you used that is the general solution for the wave equation. In my opinion, the form of the standing wave is give as follows
Ψ(x,t)=g(x)f(t)
 
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Yes, but a stationary wave is by definition formed from two traveling waves moving in opposite directions which means it can then be rewritten in the form
that you suggest with the time and space separated?
Or is that not right?
 
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Yes, but a stationary wave is by definition formed from two traveling waves moving in opposite directions
No, the definition is as Vipho posted. It is a matter of deduction that two traveling waves of the same amplitude, frequency and speed moving in opposite directions, and satisfying the wave equation, form a standing wave.
 
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