Are Solutions to GR Field Equations Chaotic?

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The field equations of general relativity (GR) are non-linear, leading to the possibility of chaotic solutions beyond the well-known Schwarzschild solution for black holes. While exact solutions exist for symmetrical cases, real stars undergoing gravitational collapse may not evolve into classical black holes but instead into various chaotic states influenced by initial conditions. Attractors in the state space can guide these chaotic outcomes, suggesting a complex behavior during collapse. Although GR is expected to yield black holes, they may not perfectly align with simplified models due to inherent complexities. The discussion highlights the unpredictability of GR solutions, paralleling the chaotic nature observed in Newtonian gravity.
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The field equations of general relativity are non-linear. There are exact analytic solutions to the equations for special symmetrical cases, e.g. Schwarzschild's solution for a black hole. But in general, wouldn't there be other chaotic solutions as well?

A chaotic system is analytically unpredictable; however, one or more so-called attractors constrain the system within defined regions of state space. These attractors in state space can be points, loops (periodic), or "strange" (non-periodic). I'm thinking that when a star undergoes gravitational collapse, it might not evolve into a classic, orderly, steady-state Schwarzschild black hole at all, but a chaotic system instead. And depending on the initial conditions of that star prior to the collapse, it could end up in any number of different chaotic states, depending on which attractor it encountered along the way.

Have there been attempts to solve the GR field equations either numerically or using analog computers, specifically for collapsing stars? Is there any literature on this subject?
 
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Even Newtonian gravity has chaotic solutions so you'd expect GR to have them too.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Even Newtonian gravity has chaotic solutions so you'd expect GR to have them too.
True, which is why the 3-body problem is analytically "unsolvable." But my real question is whether a real star would ever actually collapse into a classical Schwarzschild black hole, or become something else entirely.
 
The answer is no and yes.
It would be very surprising for a real star to collapse into a classical SBH as you say, since that model has a bunch of simplifications to it. However, we would expect the final object to be some form of black hole.

Notice that Newtonian gravity has predictable outcomes despite its chaotic nature - GR is the same.
You'd get black holes for the same reason you'd get big balls of gas. You won't get a BH exactly conforming to a simplified solution the same way that stars are not perfect spheres.
 
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