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The discussion centers on determining the largest area of a rectangular box that can contain only the single point at the origin within a grid of points spaced (a,b). It is established that the maximum area for a box with sides parallel to the axes is A = 4ab, and this area remains consistent regardless of the box's tilt or shape, provided it touches points on the grid. The conversation touches on the implications of lattice points and the necessity for the box to have points on its sides to prevent expansion beyond the origin. A reference to Minkowski's theorem is made, indicating that any convex region with a volume greater than 4V must contain a lattice point, which is relevant to the box's configuration. Ultimately, the discussion emphasizes the geometric constraints of the box in relation to the grid points.
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Imagine a rectangular grid of points with spacing (a,b) along the x and y directions, respectively, starting at the origin and filling all four quadrants. Center a rectangular box on the origin. The question is: what is the box of largest area that contains only the single point at the origin? The sides of the box can just touch other points, but no other point can be in its interior.

Trying some cases, I find:
a) trivially, the largest box whose sides are parallel to x and y has area A = 4ab.
b) if the box is tilted so its end touches a point on the line x = a (and, of course, the other end touches the mirror symmetric point at x = -a), the largest area is A = 4ab regardless of tilt.
c) if the box is long and skinny so it passes between two of the points located on the line x=a (and corresponding points on x=-a), A=4ab.

Well it looks like there's a pattern! Does anyone know of a general theorem?

This problem came up in the context of synthetic aperture radar imaging.
 
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To start, I imagine you can assume the spacing is (1,1) and just scale the answer by a factor of ab at the end
 
Clearly there should be a lattice point on every side of the box, otherwise you'd be able to expand it more. Think about what happens when you rotate the box and you should be able to decide what angle it should be at too. That should be enough information I think...
 
Office_Shredder said:
To start, I imagine you can assume the spacing is (1,1) and just scale the answer by a factor of ab at the end
Thanks. I had thought of doing this, but I didn't see any gains.

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Clearly there should be a lattice point on every side of the box, otherwise you'd be able to expand it more. Think about what happens when you rotate the box and you should be able to decide what angle it should be at too. That should be enough information I think...
Yes, that works for each case (box extending to a point on x=+/-a, +/-2a, etc.). Was wondering if there is a general theorem at play.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pick's_theorem
 
EDIT: Revised message.

This is a beautiful result, but does not apply because the vertices do not fall on grid points for the case I'm considering (at least for any tilt angles except 0 and pi/2).
 
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This follows easily from Minkowski's theorem on convex bodies: Given a lattice L in R^n with a fundamental parallelotope of volume V, then any convex, symmetric region in R^n with volume >4V contains a nonzero point of the lattice.
 
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That's perfect! Thank you so much.
 
Refering to the original simple question; you need to decide if you want to include the border or only the interior of the box.

No single box would contain only one theoretical geometry point, since a point has no size. Opposite sides of a box could never be one point distance apart. a side will always have infinitely points between itself and the reference point to be enclosed in the box.

... so, you have your choice of either 1 or 9. (there is a third choice, but not certain if you want that one).
 
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Hi s-p,

Sorry if my original post wasn't clear. The borders can touch other points but only one point (the origin) is allowed inside.
 
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