Aren't there better things for politicians to be worried about?

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The discussion centers around the political implications of a campaign strategy that involves referencing Barack Obama's elementary school assignments, particularly in the context of the 2008 presidential election. Participants explore the appropriateness and effectiveness of such tactics, as well as the broader implications of childhood aspirations on political narratives.

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  • Some participants question the relevance of digging into Obama's elementary school records, suggesting it reflects poorly on Hillary Clinton's campaign strategy.
  • Others argue that referencing childhood aspirations could positively impact Obama's image, portraying him as someone who has long held ambitions for leadership.
  • A few participants humorously speculate about the content of Obama's third-grade essay, suggesting it might contain insightful ideas about politics.
  • There is a mention of the potential for childhood ideas to influence future thoughts, with one participant sharing a personal anecdote about a childhood project that unexpectedly aligned with reality.
  • Some express a shift in their political leanings towards Obama based on the discussion, while others express skepticism about the implications of childhood views on current political stances.
  • One participant humorously critiques the notion of "flip-flopping" based on childhood opinions, indicating a belief that such early views should not be taken seriously in the context of adult political positions.

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Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple competing views regarding the significance of referencing childhood experiences in political discourse. Some see it as trivial, while others find it potentially impactful.

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Limitations include the speculative nature of childhood aspirations and their relevance to adult political views, as well as the lack of clarity on how such references might affect voter perceptions.

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http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2007/12/hillary-as-kind.html

Seriously. Who in the Clinton campaign had the bright idea to call out Obama on his elementary school homework assignments! Is there really nothing else these people could have focused on?!

Here is the article the blog is discussing from the Clinton Website:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=4479
 
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The news release also noted that the Los Angeles Times has reported that Obama’s third 3rd-grade teacher recalls him writing “I Want To Be a President” in response to an assignment asking students to write an essay titled “My dream: What I want to be in the future.”
Cute.
 
:smile: If anything, it's going to help Obama's campaign. It's fun to think about all those kids who dreamed of becoming president someday and to see one who is working hard to make it happen.

That is pretty pathetic to dig into elementary school records. Haven't most of us written such an essay in grade school? Does that mean we've all been planning to become presidents, ballet dancers, or astronauts since then? :rolleyes:

It also shows a rather poor lack of understanding of the English language on the part of Hillary's campaign, or the willful intent to twist words, to say that "thinking about" or "talking about" running is the same as "planning" to run. People can talk to their friends and say, yeah, someday I'd like to do that, without actually being focused on planning yet. Is she going to share with us his campaign strategy outlined in his third grade essay? :smile:
 
Moonbear said:
Is she going to share with us his campaign strategy outlined in his third grade essay? :smile:

Don't underestimate the power of ideas held by little kids. In kindergarten I once made a poster about apple flavored cigarettes, and last week I found out such a thing already exists, called hookah (that's the name of the device, but it's used for what I thought of when I was 5). Not exactly a cigarette, but it actually does taste like apples if you get the apple flavored stuff; tried it last friday to confirm that it was real :smile:.

For all we know, Obama actually did have a plan on how to win. It might not be detailed, but sometimes a general idea is all you need. Something like "peace in the middle east" might be a direct quote from his essay :biggrin:
 
ShawnD said:
Something like "peace in the middle east" might be a direct quote from his essay :biggrin:

If he was smart enough to be thinking about peace in the Middle East in third grade, instead of things like "everyone can have chocolate cake for breakfast," then even better for him!
 
Moonbear said:
If he was smart enough to be thinking about peace in the Middle East in third grade, instead of things like "everyone can have chocolate cake for breakfast," then even better for him!

Chocolate cake for breakfast reminds me of one of Bill Cosby's stand-up comedy skits :)
 
Beeza said:
Chocolate cake for breakfast reminds me of one of Bill Cosby's stand-up comedy skits :)

"Dad is great!"

Back to OP: This really does sway me toward Obama and away from Hilary. (used to be ambivalent between the two). Every time I hear Obama talk he sounds like an intelligent guy.
 
From obama's wiki article:
"The family moved to Jakarta in 1967, where Obama attended local schools from ages 6 to 10.[15] He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents while attending Punahou School from 5th grade until his graduation in 1979."

Isn't Jakarta a mostly muslim area? It sounds almost possible that one kid would say "my daddy says israel is evil" and Obama would say "why can't they just be friends?"
Hopefully Hillary will keep us up to date on this.
 
I can't vote for Obama now! It seems that the political views he held in his third grade essay were different that those he held now! Flip Flopper!
 
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I'll trust a third grade politician over a mature one any day. Now, if I could only tell the difference.
 

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