Artinian Rings - Comments by P.M. Cohn, Ring Theory, page 66

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The discussion centers around the properties of cyclic right $R$-modules in the context of Artinian rings, specifically addressing comments made by P.M. Cohn in his book on ring theory. Participants explore the implications of Cohn's assertion that every cyclic right $R$-module is Artinian, examining the structure of these modules and the relationship between cyclic modules and right ideals.

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Main Points Raised

  • Peter seeks clarification on Cohn's statement that every cyclic right $R$-module is of the form $R/A$ for some right ideal $A$ and how this leads to the conclusion that such modules are Artinian.
  • Deveno explains that a cyclic right $R$-module can be represented as a quotient $R/A$, where $A$ is the kernel of a surjective right $R$-linear map from $R$ to the module.
  • Deveno further argues that since $R$ is an Artinian ring, any descending chain of right ideals stabilizes, which implies that the corresponding descending chains of submodules in $R/A$ also stabilize, thus making $M$ Artinian.
  • Peter expresses some confusion about how the arguments presented demonstrate that $M$ is Artinian, prompting further clarification from Deveno.
  • Deveno reiterates that the properties of Artinian rings ensure that if $M \cong R/A$, then $M$ must also be Artinian.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the structure of cyclic right $R$-modules and the implications of Artinian properties, but there remains some uncertainty regarding the clarity of the argument linking these concepts directly to the definition of Artinian modules.

Contextual Notes

The discussion involves assumptions about the definitions of Artinian rings and modules, as well as the properties of surjective homomorphisms and the correspondence theorem, which may not be fully explored or agreed upon by all participants.

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I am reading P.M. Cohn's book: Introduction to Ring Theory (Springer Undergraduate Mathematics Series) ... ...

I am currently focused on Section 2.3: Artinian Rings: The Semisimple Case

I need help with some comments made by Cohn in the introduction to Section 2.3 ...

The relevant comments by Cohn read as follows:https://www.physicsforums.com/attachments/4965In the above text, Cohn writes the following:

" ... ... It follows that every cyclic right $$R$$-module is Artinian, for any such module is of the form $$R/A$$ for some right ideal $$A$$. ... "


I do not understand how/why the above statement follows ... can someone help ... ?

In particular, why is any cyclic right $$R$$-module of the form $$R/A$$ for some right ideal $$A$$ ... and further, why does this fact make any cyclic right $$R$$-module Artinian ... ??

Hope someone can help ... ...

Peter
 
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Suppose $M$ is a cyclic right $R$-module. What this means is that if $m \in M$, then $m = xa$ for the generator $x$ of $M$, and some $a \in R$.

Our task now is to find some (right) ideal of $R$, to be the $A$ Cohn speaks of. To do so, it is first convenient to define a surjective right $R$-linear map: $R \to M$.

It is clear that the map $\phi: R \to M$ given by $a\phi = xa$ is surjective, so we verify $R$-linearity:

$(a + b)\phi = x(a + b) = xa + xb = a\phi + b\phi$

$(ar)\phi = x(ar) = (xa)r = (a\phi)r$, QED.

It follows that considering $R$ as a right $R$-module over itself, we have that $\text{ker }\phi$ (as the kernel of a right $R$-module homomorphism, that is, a (right) $R$-linear map) is an $R$-submodule of $R$, but the $R$-submodules of $R$ (considered as a right $R$-module) are *precisely* the right ideals of $R$.

Thus we may take $A = \text{ker }\phi$.
 
Deveno said:
Suppose $M$ is a cyclic right $R$-module. What this means is that if $m \in M$, then $m = xa$ for the generator $x$ of $M$, and some $a \in R$.

Our task now is to find some (right) ideal of $R$, to be the $A$ Cohn speaks of. To do so, it is first convenient to define a surjective right $R$-linear map: $R \to M$.

It is clear that the map $\phi: R \to M$ given by $a\phi = xa$ is surjective, so we verify $R$-linearity:

$(a + b)\phi = x(a + b) = xa + xb = a\phi + b\phi$

$(ar)\phi = x(ar) = (xa)r = (a\phi)r$, QED.

It follows that considering $R$ as a right $R$-module over itself, we have that $\text{ker }\phi$ (as the kernel of a right $R$-module homomorphism, that is, a (right) $R$-linear map) is an $R$-submodule of $R$, but the $R$-submodules of $R$ (considered as a right $R$-module) are *precisely* the right ideals of $R$.

Thus we may take $A = \text{ker }\phi$.

Hi Deveno,

Thanks for your help ... appreciate it ...

Just reflecting on your post ... ... thinking ... what does your logic demonstrate? ...Now ... it seems that what you have done implies that for a cyclic right $$R$$-module $$M$$ we can define an epimorphism $$\phi$$ such that

$$M \cong R/ \text{ker } \phi $$

by the First Isomorphism Theorem for Modules ... ... ... ... BUT ... ... I am still a bit perplexed ... where, in what you have said is it demonstrated or implied that $$M$$ is Artinian ...

Perhaps it is obvious from what you have said ... but can you help further ...

Hope you can help ...

Peter
 
$R$ is, by definition, a (right) Artinian ring. This means that any descending chain of right ideals stabilizes. Considered as a (right $R$-) MODULE, this means that any descending chain of submodules stabilizes.

If these submodules all contain the submodule (right ideal) $A$, they will *still* stabliize (because *any* means *any*, including descending chains of a certain type). But descending chains containing $A$ correspond to chains of $R/A$ (the correspondence theorem).

That is: $R$ (right) Artinian implies $R/A$ (right) Artinian, for any (right) ideal $A$.

But if $M$ is cyclic, $M \cong R/A$ for some right ideal $A$, so $M$ is an Artinian (right $R$-) module.
 
Deveno said:
$R$ is, by definition, a (right) Artinian ring. This means that any descending chain of right ideals stabilizes. Considered as a (right $R$-) MODULE, this means that any descending chain of submodules stabilizes.

If these submodules all contain the submodule (right ideal) $A$, they will *still* stabliize (because *any* means *any*, including descending chains of a certain type). But descending chains containing $A$ correspond to chains of $R/A$ (the correspondence theorem).

That is: $R$ (right) Artinian implies $R/A$ (right) Artinian, for any (right) ideal $A$.

But if $M$ is cyclic, $M \cong R/A$ for some right ideal $A$, so $M$ is an Artinian (right $R$-) module.
Thanks Deveno ... your post certainly clarifies the issue ...

Appreciate your help ...

Peter
 

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