I At what level will the water settle in this system?

[mcmpw]

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starting with all tanks and lines full with water, what level(s) water settle in this system?

each grid is 2 meters.......catch tank is 6 meters deep with open spillway..........inlet from line to "tank a" line is 12 meters above water level in catch tank. blue arrows indicate check valves and flow direction.......pink lines represent sluice valves.......... edit and submit photo representing water levels

 

[Baluncore]

The answer has not changed.
The water will settle about 10 metres above the spillway of the catch tank. That is the height of a water-filled barometer, a column of water supported by atmospheric pressure with a near vacuum of water vapour above.

 

[mcmpw]

The answer has not changed.
The water will settle about 10 metres above the spillway of the catch tank. That is the height of a water-filled barometer, a column of water supported by atmospheric pressure with a near vacuum of water vapour above.

all other tanks will drain to the same elevation which will complete drain tanks b and c, while leaving tank d full?

 

[Baluncore]

all other tanks will drain to the same elevation which will complete drain tanks b and c, while leaving tank d full?

That may be the case. I see no information on the heights of the other tanks.

 

[berkeman]

I see no information on the heights of the other tanks.

There is a faint green grid, which looks to be 2 meters per square...

 

[mcmpw]

yes each square is 2 meters

 

[Baluncore]

yes each square is 2 meters

I see no squares on my monitor.
That makes it your problem.

 

[berkeman]

I see no squares on my monitor.

I darkened the background grid a bit...

 

[Baluncore]

Draw a horizontal line 10 m above the spillway and you have your answer.

 

[Ibix]

Draw a horizontal line 10 m above the spillway and you have your answer.

Note that this is below the highest junction. So do you not get a 10m high column above the spillway in the left hand vertical and a 10m column in the right hand sloped pipes?

 

[mcmpw]

Draw a horizontal line 10 m above the spillway and you have your answer.

consindering volumes, molecular weights and tank a pipe junction is approximately 14 meters above catch tank water level?

 

[Baluncore]

consindering volumes, molecular weights ...

They are irrelevant in this case. Water is still water, and hydrostatic pressure is a simple function of height, not of volume.

...and tank a pipe junction is approximately 14 meters above catch tank water level

That makes a slow siphon. After the initial flow, water will evaporate on the high side and condense lower down on the other side. It will take time, but an equilibrium will be reached.

The circuit was clearly designed originally as a potential PMM. As fascinating as you may find it, every PMM must evolve complexity, sufficient to baffle its designer and aficionados. The beauty of engineering and physics is that we can identify and reject the analysis of PMMs.

In a nutshell, it is a useless mechanism, that I do not consider worthy of deeper analysis.

 

[russ_watters]

The circuit was clearly designed originally as a potential PMM. As fascinating as you may find it, every PMM must evolve complexity, sufficient to baffle its designer and aficionados. The beauty of engineering and physics is that we can identify and reject the analysis of PMMs.

In a nutshell, it is a useless mechanism, that I do not consider worthy of deeper analysis.

I agree, though the way I'd say it is:

• Most perpetual motion machines are just complicated enough that the designer can't identify the flaw.
• Engineers/scientists can easily identify the natural law violation, so they don't need to bother unraveling the complexity of the machine to identify its flaw (if they don't want to). As you said, not worthy of deeper analysis.

 

[mcmpw]

water will evaporate on the high side and condense lower down on the other side. It will take time, but an equilibrium will be reached

prior natural evaporating and condensing, where water stands in each tank and line?.........and with heavy oil covering, water evaporate or no?

[Mentor Note -- post edited to remove a mild insult]

 

[berkeman]

The circuit was clearly designed originally as a potential PMM. As fascinating as you may find it, every PMM must evolve complexity, sufficient to baffle its designer and aficionados. The beauty of engineering and physics is that we can identify and reject the analysis of PMMs.

In a nutshell, it is a useless mechanism, that I do not consider worthy of deeper analysis.

Agreed; this thread is done now. @mcmpw -- please do not post again about this here at PF. Thank you.