Atmosphere model approximation limits

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The discussion centers on the limitations of modeling the atmosphere as a perfect, static gas using the ideal gas law, specifically the equation p=A*exp(-z/H). The primary concern is identifying the density threshold at which this approximation becomes invalid. It is established that the ideal gas law breaks down when temperature variations with altitude are considered, particularly in the stratosphere above 9 km, where temperature increases due to UV absorption affect the density and the applicability of the model.

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I am modelling the atmosphere as a perfect, static gas subject to uniform gravity, assuming ideal gas equation, the density is found to follow: p=A*exp(-z/H) where A is a const, z is the heigh, and L is the scale height.

I want to know when this approximation breaks down! at what density? i am thinking that as the density goes down the approximation for he idea gas law breaks, but not quite sure if there is a specific value at which it breaks! maybe a certain number of molecules??

thanks a million!
 
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mumaga said:
I am modelling the atmosphere as a perfect, static gas subject to uniform gravity, assuming ideal gas equation, the density is found to follow: p=A*exp(-z/H) where A is a const, z is the heigh, and L is the scale height.

I want to know when this approximation breaks down! at what density? i am thinking that as the density goes down the approximation for he idea gas law breaks, but not quite sure if there is a specific value at which it breaks! maybe a certain number of molecules??

thanks a million!

Are you asking (a) What are the limitations of the ideal gas law? or (b) What are the limitations of the atmospheric density equation?

I will address the second question. The equation you gave assumes that the temperature of the atmosphere is independent of altitude, such that the scale height is a constant. If you take into account the fact that the temperature varies, then the exponential term contains an integral, and the parameter A is temperature dependent.
 
Thank Chestermiller!

The thing is that the questions asks at which density the approximation breaks and consequently at what height, i was thinking maybe that would happen at the stratosphere, as the temperature starts to increase in their due to the absorption of UV, so above 9km!
 

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