Atom Excitation: Absorption Peaks or short wavelengths?

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The discussion revolves around the efficiency of atom excitation through photon energy, specifically comparing photon energy that matches absorption peaks to that of shorter wavelengths. It explores concepts related to resonant wavelengths and their behavior under different conditions, including excitation, ionization, and the influence of electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that photon energy matching the absorption peak is more efficient for atom excitation than using shorter wavelengths, which may still elicit a response but with reduced efficiency.
  • One participant describes resonant wavelength as the wavelength of electromagnetic radiation that matches the energy difference between discrete energy levels of an atom, asserting that it does not change for an excited atom but does change if the atom is ionized.
  • Another participant questions whether the resonant wavelength changes when an atom is excited or ionized and how an electric field might affect it.
  • A participant mentions that resonance is not limited to electronic levels, referencing applications in NMR and EPR.
  • A later reply provides an example of resonant absorption in the sodium spectrum, detailing the characteristics of the yellow doublet and its absorption features.

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Participants express differing views on the efficiency of excitation methods and the behavior of resonant wavelengths under various conditions. There is no consensus on these points, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants discuss the effects of excitation, ionization, and electric fields on resonant wavelengths, indicating that assumptions about these conditions may influence the conclusions drawn.

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I just have a quick question.

Which way of Atom Excitation is more efficient?

Photon Energy which matches the absorption peak(s)?

Or Photon energy of a Shoter wavelength than the absorption Peak?
 
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Photon with a "shorter wavelength" than necessary will not "hit" the right spot... You'll surely see a response (just like you can pluck a guitar string with any frequency you'd like) but it won't be as "efficient"..

So the "resonant wavelength" will do a better job - like in many cases in quantum systems.
 
Can you describe "Resonant Wavelength"?

Does the resonant wavelength of an Atom change when it's excited or ionized?

What about if the atom is in an electrical field? What effect does that have?
 
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Resonant wavelength is the wavelength of the electromagnetic radiation that exactly matches the difference of a pair of discrete energy levels of an atom...

It doesn't change for an excited atom, because an excited atoms discrete energy levels (approximately) do not change when an electron is excited.

If it's ionized however, you change the electrostatic balance between the nucleus and the electrons, therefore the exact placement of energy levels might change significantly.
For this reason, the resonant wavelength also changes.

Similarly an electric field changes the discrete spectra , time independent "perturbation theory" allows you to calculate the differences in the spectra provided that the electric field you apply is small compared to the electric fields already existing between the nucleus and the electrons.
 
There's no reason 'resonance' has to apply to electronic levels only. (NMR, EPR, etc)
 
HMS-776 said:
I just have a quick question.

Which way of Atom Excitation is more efficient?

Photon Energy which matches the absorption peak(s)?

Or Photon energy of a Shorter wavelength than the absorption Peak?
Hi HMS-
A very good example of this resonant absorption is the 3P-->3S sodium spectrum (the yellow doublet).
If you look at the lines with a diffraction grating you will see the yellow doublet (wavelength about 5890 Angsroms)
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/quantum/sodium.html
with about a 5 Angstrom splitting. Each of the two lines is broadened by the temperature of the sodium gas in the arc. If you look carefully, you will see a dark absorption line in the middle of each doublet line, caused by the emission lines being strongly resonantly absorbed by the surrounding colder sodium gas.
Bob S.
 

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