Average force exerted on object by wall

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average force exerted by a handball on a wall after a collision. The problem involves concepts from mechanics, specifically momentum and force, as the handball strikes the wall at an angle and rebounds with the same speed.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore various methods to calculate momentum before and after the collision, questioning the application of trigonometric functions to resolve components of velocity. There is a focus on separating horizontal and vertical components of momentum.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the components of momentum and the average force calculation. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the effects of the angle of impact on the calculations. Multiple interpretations of the momentum change are being explored, particularly regarding the horizontal and vertical components.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a specific time of contact and the mass of the handball, while also grappling with the implications of using angles in their calculations. There is a noted concern about the magnitude of the forces calculated, suggesting a need for careful consideration of the physics involved.

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[solved]Average force exerted on object by wall

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A 301.0 g handball moving at a speed of 5.3 m/s strikes a wall at an angle of 29.0° to the normal of the wall and then bounces of with the same speed at the same angle. It is in contact with the wall for 0.002 s. What is the average force exerted by the ball on the wall?
m= 3.01kg
v int = 5.3 m/s
v final = -5.3 m/s
theta = 29 deg
time = 0.002s
quick pic i drew of how i set it up
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Homework Equations


F avg = (Pfinal - P initial)/time
P = m*v

The Attempt at a Solution



P int = 3.01kg*5.3m/s = 15.953
P final = 3.01kg*-5.3m/s = -15.953
F avg = (-15.953-15.953)/0.002 = -15953 N Lon capa declined this answer is exceptionally large for a tenis ball so i tried to include the angle it gave us.

Pint = -2mvcos29=-27.906
Pfinal = 2mvsin29=15.468

(15.468-27.906)/.002 = -6218.64 which is wrong as well

next i tried (-5.3cos(29)-5.3cos(29)*3.01)/.002 = -9294 N
 
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So trying every combination with sine and cosine is not going to work.
What happens to the horizontal and vertical components separately, and how do you calculate those components?
 
ok so id take
Px = 3.01(5.3cos(29)-5.3cos(151)= 27.9
Py = 3.01(5.3sin(29)-5.3sin(151)= 0

then dP^2 = Px^2 + Py^2
dP = Px

F avg = dp/dt = 27.9/.002s thnx for tip i got it finally
 
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Yes. Note that
sin(151) = sin(29)​
cos(151) = -cos(29)​

So basically you are saying that the vertical component does not change, because there are no forces acting in that direction. The horizontal component of the velocity has the same magnitude but opposite direction after the collision, so it goes from v to -v (a difference of 2v) - hence the horizontal component of the momentum simply doubles.
 

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