Ball Motion Down the Incline: Is the Calculated Height Correct?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving the motion of a ball down an incline, specifically focusing on the calculations related to its height and trajectory after rebounding. The problem incorporates concepts of free fall and projectile motion, with known variables such as height, distance, and angle of the incline.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive the height of the ball after it rebounds, using equations of motion for both free fall and projectile motion. Some participants question the correctness of the final expression for height, while others suggest that the intermediate steps may be overly complex.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback on the accuracy of the derived expressions. There is an ongoing examination of the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly regarding the trajectory and the use of trigonometric functions.

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The problem is constrained by specific known variables and requires careful consideration of the relationships between them. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the correctness of their final result, indicating a need for clarification on certain steps in their reasoning.

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Hi. I have problem with my homework. I have already searched related theoretic basis and I have already tried to solve it too, but I need some feedback, if my solution is right. I would like to ask you for it. Thank you very much.

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The ball falls down on the incline from height h (known variable). Then it rebounds according to the law of reflection (angle δ). The ball has to fly through the hole in the wall standing in distance x (known variable). Angle of the incline is α.
Given data:
[tex]h = 0,5 m[/tex]
[tex]x = 0,15 m[/tex]
[tex]\alpha = 15°[/tex]
and all the variables in the picture typed bold.

2+3. Relevant equations and the attempt at a solution
Free fall
acceleration:
[tex]a = g[/tex]
velocity:
[tex]v = \int a \ dt = g t + v_0[/tex]
height:
[tex]h = \int v \ dt = \frac{1}{2} g t^2 + v_0 t[/tex]
[tex]v_0 = 0[/tex]
time of impact:
[tex]t = \sqrt {\frac{2h}{g}}[/tex]
velocity in the time of impact:
[tex]v = g t = \sqrt {2gh}[/tex]

Oblique throw
accelerations:
[tex]a_x = 0[/tex]
[tex]a_y = -g[/tex]
velocities:
[tex]v_0 = \sqrt {2gh}[/tex]
[tex]v_x = \int a_x \ dt = v_0 cos \beta[/tex]
[tex]v_y = \int a_y \ dt = -g t + v_0 sin \beta[/tex]
distances:
[tex]x = \int v_x \ dt = v_0 cos \beta t + x_0[/tex]
[tex]y = \int v_y \ dt = - \frac{1}{2} g t^2 + v_0 sin \beta t + y_0[/tex]
[tex]x_0 = 0[/tex]
[tex]y_0 = 0[/tex]
time of contact with the wall:
[tex]t = \frac{x}{v_0 cos \beta}[/tex]
[tex]y = x tg \beta - \frac{x^2}{4 h (cos \beta)^2}[/tex]

My results with the given data:
[tex]y = 0,257 m[/tex]
Is it right, please?
 
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Welcome to PF.

It seems a little complicated to not solve for the intermediate results along the way, but your answer looks in close agreement to what I get.

I think your last statement for y is not quite right, however.
 
Thank you very much for your help!

Do you think the last y statement is wrong?

I get it from the previous statements this way:

[tex]x = v_0 cos \beta \cdot t[/tex]
[tex]t = \frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g t^2 + v_0 sin \beta \cdot t[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g (\frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta})^2 + v_0 sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g \frac {x^2}{v_0^2 (cos \beta)^2} + sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{ cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]v_0 = \sqrt{2gh}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g \frac {x^2}{2gh (cos \beta)^2} + sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{4} \frac {x^2}{h (cos \beta)^2} + x \cdot {\frac {sin \beta}{cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {x^2}{4 h (cos \beta)^2} + x \cdot tg \beta[/tex]
 
Kat3rina said:
Thank you very much for your help!

Do you think the last y statement is wrong?

I get it from the previous statements this way:

[tex]x = v_0 cos \beta \cdot t[/tex]
[tex]t = \frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g t^2 + v_0 sin \beta \cdot t[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g (\frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta})^2 + v_0 sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{v_0 cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g \frac {x^2}{v_0^2 (cos \beta)^2} + sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{ cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]v_0 = \sqrt{2gh}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{2}g \frac {x^2}{2gh (cos \beta)^2} + sin \beta \cdot {\frac {x}{cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {1}{4} \frac {x^2}{h (cos \beta)^2} + x \cdot {\frac {sin \beta}{cos \beta}}[/tex]
[tex]y = - \frac {x^2}{4 h (cos \beta)^2} + x \cdot tg \beta[/tex]

Sorry. I didn't recognize your tgβ notation as tanβ with t and g also being variables of the solution.
 

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