Banked Road Physics Problem: Maximum Speed Calculation

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A car on a banked highway at a 14-degree angle and a radius of 264m has a maximum safe speed of 28.5 m/s, factoring in a coefficient of static friction of 0.67. Participants discuss the calculations, with one suggesting a maximum speed of around 50 m/s and another arriving at 53.5 m/s. Discrepancies in calculations lead to debates about the accuracy of free body diagrams and the application of forces. Some contributors propose alternative methods to derive the maximum speed using trigonometric relationships. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correct assumptions and calculations in physics problems.
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A car is moving along a banked highway on a ramp that is banked at an angle of 14 degrees to the horizontal. The radius of curvature of the bank is 264m and the coefficient of static friction is 0.67. What is the max speed that the car can travel and safely stay on the ramp? (Ans: The max speed to negotiate the turn on a banked curve is 28.5 m/s)

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Attempt at solution in uploaded picture. I don't think i did anything wrong...is the solution manual possibly incorrect?
 

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mr1709 said:
A car is moving along a banked highway on a ramp that is banked at an angle of 14 degrees to the horizontal. The radius of curvature of the bank is 264m and the coefficient of static friction is 0.67. What is the max speed that the car can travel and safely stay on the ramp? (Ans: The max speed to negotiate the turn on a banked curve is 28.5 m/s)

the maximum speed comes around 50 m/s- your

attempt shows 54m/s, so, please check the calculation
i could not get your free body diagram? in my opinion f(.n) = mg .cos(theta) and

mg sin (theta) should act along the slope and frictional force should be mu (s).f(n).
 
Your solution looks fine to me. What book is this from?
 
drvrm said:
in my opinion f(.n) = mg .cos(theta)
I would not make that assumption. (That would hold for the standard block sliding down an incline problem, but not for this problem where the acceleration is horizontal, not parallel to the surface.)
 
Doc Al said:
Your solution looks fine to me. What book is this from?

Im not sure. It was a print out sheet my physics teacher gave the class to practice for our upcoming test. Thanks for input
 
I agree with 53.5 m/s.
There is a slightly easier way to get there.
##mg=N\cos(\theta)-\mu N\sin(\theta)##
##m\frac{v^2}r=N\sin(\theta)+\mu N\cos(\theta)##
Dividing
##\frac{v^2}{gr}=\frac{\tan(\theta)+\mu}{1-\mu\tan(\theta)}##
##=\tan(\theta+\arctan(\mu))##
 
Kindly see the attached pdf. My attempt to solve it, is in it. I'm wondering if my solution is right. My idea is this: At any point of time, the ball may be assumed to be at an incline which is at an angle of θ(kindly see both the pics in the pdf file). The value of θ will continuously change and so will the value of friction. I'm not able to figure out, why my solution is wrong, if it is wrong .
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