Basics of Field Extensions .... .... Ireland and Rosen, Ch 12

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The discussion centers on concepts from algebraic number theory as presented in Chapter 12 of Kenneth Ireland and Michael Rosen's book. Participants seek clarification on the properties of field extensions, specifically regarding the representation of elements in a field and the calculation of norms.

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  • Peter questions how the expression $$\alpha \alpha_i = \sum_j a_{ij} \alpha_j$$ is derived from the definition of a basis for the vector space $$L/K$$.
  • Some participants note that since $$L$$ is a field, products $$\alpha \alpha_i$$ belong to $$L$$ and can be expressed as $$K$$-linear combinations of the basis elements $$\alpha_j$$.
  • Peter asks for an explanation of the norm $$N_{L/K}(\alpha)$$ and its calculation, seeking a simple example.
  • A participant provides an example using $$L = \Bbb Q(\sqrt{2})$$ and demonstrates the calculation of the norm through a matrix representation of the element $$\alpha$$ with respect to the basis $$\{1, \sqrt{2}\}$$.
  • Another participant suggests that the norm of an element in $$\Bbb Q(\sqrt{2})$$ can be expressed in a general form, inviting further exploration.

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There is no explicit consensus on the derivation of the expressions or the norm calculation, as participants are exploring and clarifying concepts rather than reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Participants express uncertainty about the derivation of the expressions and the properties of norms in field extensions, indicating a need for further exploration of definitions and examples.

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Readers interested in algebraic number theory, field extensions, and the properties of norms in vector spaces may find this discussion beneficial.

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I am reading Kenneth Ireland and Michael Rosen's book, "A Classical Introduction to Modern Number Theory" ... ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 12: Algebraic Number Theory ... ... I need some help in order to follow a basic result in Section 1: Algebraic Preliminaries ...

The start of Section 1 reads as follows:

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QUESTION 1


In the above text by Ireland and Rosen, we read the following:"... ... Suppose $$\alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ , \alpha_n$$ is a basis for $$L/K$$ and $$\alpha \in L$$.Then $$\alpha \alpha_i = \sum_j a_{ ij } \alpha_j$$ with $$a_{ ij } \in K$$ ... ... "

My question is ... ... how do Ireland and Rosen get $$\alpha \alpha_i = \sum_j a_{ ij } \alpha_j$$ ... ... ?

My thoughts are as follows ...Given $$L/K$$, we have that $$L$$ is a vector space over $$K$$.

... we then let $$\alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ , \alpha_n$$ be a basis for $$L$$ as a vector space over $$K$$

( I take it that that is what I&R mean by "... ... Suppose $$\alpha_1, \alpha_2, \ ... \ ... \ , \alpha_n $$is a basis for $$L/K$$")... we then let $$\alpha \in L$$ ... ... then there exist $$a_1, a_2, \ ... \ ... \ , a_n \in K$$ such that $$\alpha = a_1 \alpha_1 + a_2 \alpha_2 + \ ... \ ... \ a_n \alpha_n$$ so that $$\alpha \alpha_i = ( a_1 \alpha_1 + a_2 \alpha_2 + \ ... \ ... \ a_n \alpha_n ) \alpha_i$$ ... ... ... (1)... BUT ...

Ireland and Rosen write (see above)$$\alpha \alpha_i = \sum_j a_{ ij } \alpha_j$$$$= a_{ i1 } \alpha_1 + a_{ i2 } \alpha_2 + \ ... \ ... \ + a_{ in } \alpha_n$$ ... ... ... (2)My question is ... how do we get expression (1) equal to (2) ... ...
QUESTION 2In the above text by Ireland and Rosen, we read the following:"... ...The norm of $$\alpha, N_{ L/K } ( \alpha )$$ is $$text{ det} (a_{ ij } )$$ ... ... I cannot fully understand the process involved in forming the norm ... can someone please explain ... preferably via a simple example ...
Hope someone can help ... Peter
 
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Hi Peter,

It appears you've missed something key here, which is that $L$ is a field. So all the products $\alpha \alpha_i$ belong to $L$. As $L$ is spanned by the $\alpha_j$, each product $\alpha \alpha_i$ is $K$-linear combination of the $\alpha_j$, which is displayed in the formulae

$$\alpha\alpha_i = \sum_{j} a_{ij} \alpha_j, \quad a_{ij}\in K$$
 
To answer your second question, consider $$L = \Bbb Q(\sqrt{2}) = \{a + b\sqrt{2} : a,b\in \Bbb Q\}\quad \text{and}\quad K = \Bbb Q$$ Set $\alpha = 3 + 2\sqrt{2}$. The numbers $1, \sqrt{2}$ form a basis for $L/K$. Further,

$\alpha \cdot 1 = 3 + 2\sqrt{2}$
$\alpha \cdot \sqrt{2} = 4 + 3\sqrt{2}$

Hence, the matrix $(a_{ij})$ of $\alpha$ with respect to the ordered basis $\{1,\sqrt{2}\}$ is given by

$$\begin{pmatrix}3 & 2\\ 4 & 3\end{pmatrix}$$

The determinant of this matrix is $3(3) - 4(2) = 1$, so the norm of $\alpha$, $N_{L/K}(\alpha)$, equals $1$.

As an exercise, show that in general, the norm of an element $a + b\sqrt{2}$ in $Q(\sqrt{2})$ is $a^2 - 2b^2$.
 
Euge said:
Hi Peter,

It appears you've missed something key here, which is that $L$ is a field. So all the products $\alpha \alpha_i$ belong to $L$. As $L$ is spanned by the $\alpha_j$, each product $\alpha \alpha_i$ is $K$-linear combination of the $\alpha_j$, which is displayed in the formulae

$$\alpha\alpha_i = \sum_{j} a_{ij} \alpha_j, \quad a_{ij}\in K$$
Thanks Euge ... yes ... should have known!

Obvious now, of course ... :(

Peter
 
Euge said:
To answer your second question, consider $$L = \Bbb Q(\sqrt{2}) = \{a + b\sqrt{2} : a,b\in \Bbb Q\}\quad \text{and}\quad K = \Bbb Q$$ Set $\alpha = 3 + 2\sqrt{2}$. The numbers $1, \sqrt{2}$ form a basis for $L/K$. Further,

$\alpha \cdot 1 = 3 + 2\sqrt{2}$
$\alpha \cdot \sqrt{2} = 4 + 3\sqrt{2}$

Hence, the matrix $(a_{ij})$ of $\alpha$ with respect to the ordered basis $\{1,\sqrt{2}\}$ is given by

$$\begin{pmatrix}3 & 2\\ 4 & 3\end{pmatrix}$$

The determinant of this matrix is $3(3) - 4(2) = 1$, so the norm of $\alpha$, $N_{L/K}(\alpha)$, equals $1$.

As an exercise, show that in general, the norm of an element $a + b\sqrt{2}$ in $Q(\sqrt{2})$ is $a^2 - 2b^2$.
Thanks Euge ... wonderfully clear and helpful example ...

Peter
 

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