Bell shrinking due to water pressure

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A discussion revolves around calculating the decrease in diameter of a bell submerged in the ocean at a depth of 10 km, given its bulk modulus and initial dimensions. The pressure at this depth is calculated to be approximately 9.82 x 10^7 Pa, which is used in the bulk modulus formula to find the change in volume. Participants debate the correct method for determining the change in radius and diameter, with one user arriving at a change of 0.267 m, while the provided answer is 0.722 mm. Misunderstandings arise regarding the formulas and calculations for volume change and how to derive the change in diameter from the change in radius. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly applying algebraic identities in volume calculations.
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A bell of diameter 3m and bulk modulus of 14x1010N/m2 is toss into the ocean. By how much did the diameter decrease as it sank to a depth of 10km? The bell is assumed to be a sphere of diameter 3m.

Well o what i did was to calculate the pressure at the depth of 10km so P=Po+\rhogh which gives me P=1.0135x105+1000x9.81x10000=9.82x107. Then Bulk modulus=\frac{P}{V/Vi} where V is change in volume and Vi is the initial volume. This gives me change in diameter to be 0.267m however the answer provided is 0.722mm :cry: What is wrong ??
 
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Hello rl! My working is in the post? Okie i guess my post is too messy haha sorry about that.

Okie here is what i didFirst i calculate the pressure at the depth of 10 km including the atmospheric pressure Po which is taken to be 1.013x105 Pa.

P=Po + \rhogh
P=1.013x105 + 1000 x 9.81 x 10000 = 9.82 x 107 Pa

So using the formula of bulk modulas,

Bulk modulas = \frac{P}{V/Vi}
14x1010=\frac{P}{V/Vi}

Since formula for both volume are the same V/Vi is reduced to r3/ri3 where r is the change in radius and ri is the initial radius.

Using 14x1010=\frac{P}{V/Vi} and the P i found previously, i got the change in radius which is r to be 0.267m

Yup basically that's how i did it :biggrin:
 
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Vi = 4/3*π*R^3
V' = 4/3*π*( R - ΔR )^3
V/Vi = (Vi - V')/Vi = [R^3 - (R-ΔR)^3]/R^3
Expand the brackets and simplify to find V/Vi.
 


I don't get it. If we are looking for the change in radius why i can't just find the change in volume and from there calculate the change in diameter?
 


Find the difference in original volume and compressed volume.
Change in volume = Bulk modulus*Pressure* Original volume.
 


I am assuming you meant Change in volume = Bulk modulus*Pressure*Original volume? How did you get this? From my working I get Change in volume =\frac{Pressure x Original volume}{Bulk Modulus} ??
 


semc said:
I am assuming you meant Change in volume = Bulk modulus*Pressure*Original volume? How did you get this? From my working I get Change in volume =\frac{Pressure x Original volume}{Bulk Modulus} ??
Yes. You are right. It is typo.
 


So you mean that's the way to do it? But my answer is different from the answer provided
 
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Show your calculations instead of answer.
 
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I am afraid i don't get you, this is my calculation and i can't figure out what's wrong with this and why do you keep asking me to post this?

\Deltar3=\frac{9.82*10^7*1.5^3}{140*10^9}
\Deltar=0.1333m \Rightarrow \Deltad=0.2666m
 
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Sorry. Your calculation is not correct.
Vi = 4/3π*r^3
Vf = 4/3π*(r - Δr)^3
Chane in volume =ΔV = Vi - Vf = ...?
Then ΔV = P*Vi/B gives you Δr.
 
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ΔV = Vi - Vf
Δr = ri3-rf3
ΔV = P*Vi/B

Vi - Vf = (P/B)*Vi
\frac{4}{3}\Pi(ri3-rf3)=(P/B)\frac{4}{3}\Piri3

(ri3-rf3)=(P/B)[/tex]ri3
Δr3 = (P/B)ri3
Δr3 = <br /> \frac{9.82*10^7*1.5^3}{140*10^9}<br />
Δr = 0.133 <br /> \Rightarrow<br /> Δd=0.266

Whats wrong in my calculation?
 
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Δr = (ri - rf)
Δr^3 is not equal to ri^3 - rf^3
In algebra
(a^3 - b^3) = (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)
 
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