Bicycle Design (Individual Project)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and manufacturing of a custom road bike, focusing on various aspects such as material selection, structural analysis, and performance requirements. Participants share insights on engineering principles, design challenges, and personal experiences related to bicycle construction.

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Main Points Raised

  • The original poster (OP) outlines specific design requirements for a road bike, including weight limits, material choices, and performance goals.
  • Some participants suggest considering human body mass in the design, sharing their own experiences with bicycle dimensions and weight distribution.
  • The OP seeks advice on where to begin static analysis and expresses confusion over calculated bending stresses that seem high compared to material yield strength.
  • Questions are raised about the appropriate types of analysis needed for safety, including static, fatigue, and deflection analyses.
  • Concerns are voiced regarding the impact of dynamic loads, such as shocks from road bumps, on the bike's structural integrity.
  • One participant mentions that using full triangles in the frame design may eliminate bending stresses, suggesting a focus on tensile and compressive loads instead.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints on the design and analysis of the bike, with no consensus reached on specific methodologies or assumptions regarding load distribution and stress calculations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of accurately modeling dynamic loads and the importance of considering real-world conditions in the design process. There are mentions of missing assumptions and the need for further clarification on certain engineering principles.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in bicycle design, mechanical engineering students, and hobbyists looking to undertake DIY projects related to custom bicycles may find this discussion beneficial.

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Hello everyone, I have not been here for a long time. Now I'm here for a DIY project.

Purpose: I want to design and manufacture my own road bike and ride it as soon as possible.
I want to design nearly all parts on a bike except for the wheels, chain, saddle, cables, maybe shafts and bolts and maybe gears (they would be very hard do design, I've not decided yet).

I've completed my final exams so I can focus on this. I've lots of questions therefore I'll update here frequently. You may ask "Why don't you buy one?" but it's both in my field of interest and I want to test my engineering skills.

First of all, I'm a mechanical engineering student and finished my 2nd year. I've a good practical and technical knowledge of bicycle but not computational technical knowledge. So; if you want to design your own, this thread will be a good guidance for you.

Let's begin:

Firstly: I want to introduce you the type of bicycle I want to design & manufacture.

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This is a road bike. Simply, no suspension, speed based design, low weight.

Requirements: ------------------------------------------------------------

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Low weight : It should not weight more than 10 - 10.5 kg Generally road bikes are between 8-9 but I'm relatively flexible.
*Design: I love the design in the pic, the top bar should look horizontal, that makes it aggressive.


*Safety: I want to be conservative as much as possible without sacrificing the lightness.

* Comfort:
That's a road bike, I'm not expecting too much comfort but it should be ergonomic.

* Material: Carbonfiber is very expensive and not suitable for my purpose, for lightness I will use aluminum on frame (T-6061 or something else, I'll research) and steel for the crank and other power unit parts.

*Life: Of course, fatigue analsis will show us the result but I want to ride this bike safely at least for 5 years.

* Performance: This is where I want to focus, low friction, low drag, low resistance. I should ride it at high speed as much as possible without getting tired. (Now, I've a mountain bike with both suspension and shock absorber, so the significant drop on weight will feel me satisfied in terms of performance.)
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(I didnt collect my question on a paper so I will update here when I remember hence, the order of the questions may be confusing but don't worry I will keep here neat and clean.)

Today's Questions:

1-)

Actuator:
In such a design the most challenging part is the beginning because it's very hard to find where to start. So my first request will be an advise about that. I thought the dimensions may help:
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I'm a tall guy, 187 cm ( 6 ft 2 in US system). So I can benefit from this table. That's ok.

I have some sketches (will share on weekend), but my main problem is that where should I being to design analysis. Because during the preliminary design, at some points I have to do static analysis (wihout computer just by hand) therefore I need some rough values which will guide me.

So, the question: In static analysis in which region should I begin to investigate?

My attempt: (Note: Of course this is very inaccurate, no bar and no shafts are rigid, the whole frame will deform together but I'm trying to get rough values about the stresses) (Correct me when I'm wrong)
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I weight around 85 kg and added addiotional 15 kg for simplicity. So the wheel axles react in 500 N, I assumed the seat bar as rigid then the triangular part is subjected to bending.
But when I do some calculations I get weird bending which are very high compared to yield strength of T-6061 Aluminum due to assumptions.
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I think my assumptions deviate somewhere if the calculations are correct. I need you help here and I leave it here for now. It's 5:12 am here :)

My first questions is above.

2-)


Computer Analysis

This is a question to be asked in the future but I want to know from now on.

Question 2: What kind of analysis do I have to do to ensure that this bike is safe for me? (Von-mises, fatigue, deflection what else? ) (I have also questions about how I should do these analysis but will ask later)

 

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None of your images worked, except the photo of a bike. Use the UPLOAD button on the post editor to put images in your post.

What is your background and education about doing analysis and engineering?
 
I started a bicycle thread at Linux Questions years ago. I just don't ride or have a passion for only motorcycles. My passion covers 2 wheels mostly because I like to have fun.

My Fixie.

My Schwiinn

My Fuji

Great thing about my area. Traffic is light and it is all flat. Good luck with your ideas. I have hands on shady tree experience myself.

Just my 2 cents. When incorporating your design. Keep human body mass in mind. My mind has a passion for 2 wheel transport. But my body is 6 foot 7 inches and I am a gorilla at 270 lbs. That does not stop me from riding bicycles how ever.

Here is my thread in case you need ideas.

https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/general-10/the-bicycle-thread-4175544046/
 
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anorlunda said:
None of your images worked, except the photo of a bike. Use the UPLOAD button on the post editor to put images in your post.

What is your background and education about doing analysis and engineering?

Can't you see the pics? I can upload here again because somehow I can't edit the original post.

As I said I'm mechanical engineer student. (sophomore). I have not been in such an experience before. In the context of lecture, I've completed Mechanics of Materials I & II. I'm familiar with CFD analysis (Autodesk CFD). I'm able to use Solidworks but planning to use it for modelling. For the static and fatigue analysis I will use ANSYS. (I'll learn to use).

A bicycle includes dynamic parts, I haven't taken Dynamics & Control yet but since I have lots of source (books etc.) I'll learn the part that is enough for this Project.

I uploaded here the pics. (In order)
 

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mastermechanic said:
Can't you see the pics?
Yes thanks, I can see the pictures you posted in #3.

I'll let others comment on which analyses you need.
 
Don't you think the rear 500 N should be bigger than the front 500 N?
 
Not to mention the shocks caused by bumps in the road might be a lot higher than static loads?
 
Merlin3189 said:
Don't you think the rear 500 N should be bigger than the front 500 N?

Yeah I forgot the weight distribution. Thanks!
 
CWatters said:
Not to mention the shocks caused by bumps in the road might be a lot higher than static loads?

Okay, that's good point thanks! How can I calculate or simulate that shocks to get data?
 
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Measuring the shocks is probably the best way but...

Some bikes have suspension so you could measure the force required to compress a typical sadle or fork spring. My bike had a spring sadle post and I don't think it's ever bottomed out so typical forces must be less than that required to compress the spring fully.
 
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Since you are using full triangles there should be no bending stress on any of the frame elements only tensile and compressive loads and stresses as shown in your analysis diagram; therefore the resulting stresses should be calculated used the following simple formula: σ = Force / x-sectional area of the material of the structural element.
 

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