Binomial Distribution Statistics Problem

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves estimating the probability that in a group of five people, at least two share the same zodiacal sign, given that there are 12 equally likely signs. Participants are exploring the application of the binomial distribution in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the approach of subtracting the probability of all individuals having unique signs from 1. Questions arise regarding the variables in the binomial formula and comparisons to the birthday problem.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the problem with some participants confirming the approach of considering unique signs versus shared signs. Guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the binomial formula, though there is no explicit consensus on the final approach.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note potential confusion regarding the variables in the binomial formula and the implications of the problem's constraints, such as the assumption of equal likelihood for each zodiac sign.

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Homework Statement



Estimate the probability that, in a group of five people, at least two of them have the same zodiacal sign. (There are 12 zodiacal signs; assume that each sign is equally likely for any person.)

Homework Equations



P(X=k) = nCk * [tex]p^{k}[/tex] * [tex](1-p)^k{}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think that it involves in some way subtracting the probability that everyone has a unique zodiacal sign from 1, but I'm not sure exactly how.
 
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Could you possibly tell us a little more about the variables in that formula. "What do C, k, n, and p represent?"
 
Look up the birthday problem, it's pretty similar to this isn't it?
 
blondsk8rguy said:

Homework Statement



Estimate the probability that, in a group of five people, at least two of them have the same zodiacal sign. (There are 12 zodiacal signs; assume that each sign is equally likely for any person.)

Homework Equations



P(X=k) = nCk * [tex]p^{k}[/tex] * [tex](1-p)^k{}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think that it involves in some way subtracting the probability that everyone has a unique zodiacal sign from 1, but I'm not sure exactly how.

Exactly the right approach. How many ways are there to assign a different sign to each person and how many ways to assign any sign to any person. Take the ratio and subtract from 1.
 
blondsk8rguy said:

Homework Statement



Estimate the probability that, in a group of five people, at least two of them have the same zodiacal sign. (There are 12 zodiacal signs; assume that each sign is equally likely for any person.)

Homework Equations



P(X=k) = nCk * [tex]p^{k}[/tex] * [tex](1-p)^k{}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



I think that it involves in some way subtracting the probability that everyone has a unique zodiacal sign from 1, but I'm not sure exactly how.
Your formula is incorrect- perhaps a typo. It should be
P(X=k) = nCk * [tex]p^{k}[/tex] * [tex](1-p)^{n-k}[/tex]


Yes, "at least two the same" is the opposite of "all different". Since there are 5 people and you want 5 different signs, both n and k in your binomial coefficient are 5 so that is easy- its just 1. In fact, [itex](1- p)^{5-5}= (1-p)^0= 1[/itex] so it is just "probability of all the same" is [itex]p^5[/itex]. What is p?
 

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