Blocks attached with spring is released from rest

AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on determining the maximum elongation of a spring attached to blocks released from rest. It highlights that energy conservation is the appropriate method for solving the problem, as the system gains kinetic energy from gravitational potential energy during the fall. The incorrect approach of using force balance only identifies the equilibrium point, which does not account for the system's motion beyond that point. At maximum elongation, the block is accelerating upwards, indicating that the spring force exceeds the weight of the block. Therefore, energy conservation should be the preferred method for such problems.
lavankohsa
Messages
32
Reaction score
0
1. Consider the situation shown in figure. Initially the spring is unstretched when the system is released from rest. Assuming no friction in the pulley, find the maximum elongation of the spring.
Screenshot_from_2015_02_07_19_38_52.png


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3FvaDRwJ2neQWtBU3JrazVTeEU/view?usp=sharing

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



I know that i can solve this problem by energy conservation.
mgx=1/2*k*x^2
so x=2mg/k

But i was thinking why can't we solve this problem by balancing of force.
mg=kx
so x=mg/k

because spring will stretched untll mg=kx

Please tell me where i am wrong in this[/B]
 
Physics news on Phys.org
mg = kx locates the equilibrium point if the system were to come to rest. However, released from a height where the system is not at equilibrium, as the mass falls the system gains kinetic energy from the change in gravitational potential energy. It will shoot by the equilibrium point. In fact the system will continue to oscillate around the equilibrium point so long as there are no energy losses.
 
  • Like
Likes lavankohsa
ok i got it now. it will shoot by the equilibrium point. that's why balancing of force was giving less elongation. so should i do these type of problem by energy conservation and not by balancing of force.
 
lavankohsa said:
ok i got it now. it will shoot by the equilibrium point. that's why balancing of force was giving less elongation. so should i do these type of problem by energy conservation and not by balancing of force.
When it's at it's equilibrium, there is no acceleration (which is what you solved for) but when it is at it's maximum elongation, the block is accelerating upwards (so the spring force is greater than mg). That's why using energy would be the way to go.
 
  • Like
Likes lavankohsa
I multiplied the values first without the error limit. Got 19.38. rounded it off to 2 significant figures since the given data has 2 significant figures. So = 19. For error I used the above formula. It comes out about 1.48. Now my question is. Should I write the answer as 19±1.5 (rounding 1.48 to 2 significant figures) OR should I write it as 19±1. So in short, should the error have same number of significant figures as the mean value or should it have the same number of decimal places as...
Thread 'Collision of a bullet on a rod-string system: query'
In this question, I have a question. I am NOT trying to solve it, but it is just a conceptual question. Consider the point on the rod, which connects the string and the rod. My question: just before and after the collision, is ANGULAR momentum CONSERVED about this point? Lets call the point which connects the string and rod as P. Why am I asking this? : it is clear from the scenario that the point of concern, which connects the string and the rod, moves in a circular path due to the string...
Thread 'A cylinder connected to a hanging mass'
Let's declare that for the cylinder, mass = M = 10 kg Radius = R = 4 m For the wall and the floor, Friction coeff = ##\mu## = 0.5 For the hanging mass, mass = m = 11 kg First, we divide the force according to their respective plane (x and y thing, correct me if I'm wrong) and according to which, cylinder or the hanging mass, they're working on. Force on the hanging mass $$mg - T = ma$$ Force(Cylinder) on y $$N_f + f_w - Mg = 0$$ Force(Cylinder) on x $$T + f_f - N_w = Ma$$ There's also...
Back
Top