Building a High-Powered Solenoid: Considerations and Challenges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design and construction of high-powered solenoids, addressing various technical considerations and challenges involved in their development. Topics include wire specifications, power supply requirements, material choices, and operational parameters for solenoids intended for specific applications.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the necessary thickness of enamelled copper wire to prevent overheating when powered with 10A and 2000 turns, and questions the viability of enamelled aluminum wire.
  • Another participant asks how to power the coil and seeks guidance on building or sourcing a generator capable of providing a constant 10A current for multiple solenoids.
  • There is a question regarding the influence of the solenoid frame on magnetic flux and whether it should be grounded or connected to the coil's end wire.
  • One participant mentions using permalloy for its high-speed and high-force capabilities, questioning its suitability for the intended application.
  • A participant expresses the need to build multiple solenoids due to the high cost of commercial options, indicating a requirement for 15-20 solenoids with varying power specifications.
  • Another participant references a solenoid force calculator to estimate the force generated at 10A and mentions the possibility of using a PC power supply for this purpose.
  • One participant outlines a specific project goal of moving weights of 150g within 50ms at 20Hz, emphasizing the need for practical guidance on solenoid design and construction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the specifications and materials for solenoid construction, with no consensus reached on the best approach or solutions to the challenges presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the assumptions regarding wire thickness, power supply design, and material choices, which may depend on specific application requirements and operational conditions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals involved in DIY electronics, engineering students, and hobbyists looking to build solenoids for various applications.

Bern123
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I need to project a solenoid. But i have some questions:
- How much need to be thick enamelled copper? How i can calculate the thickness necessary? (to not burn solenoid wire)
- Will be good enamelled alluminium too?
This if i suppose to power it with 10A, 2000turns.
And:
- How i can power the coil?(where i can find or build a generator to give me 10A costant current?)
- How i can build a generator(or multiple generators) to power multiple solenoids with this high current?
- Where i can find or buy a good plunger, it need to be magnetic or metal(what type of metal)? With full core?

Thank you.
 
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Also:
- How much frame influence the magnetic flux? I need to connect it to ground or an end wire of the coil?

Permalloy is a good material to have a high speed(50-100hz) and high force(10N-40N)?
 
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Why do you want to build a solenoid?

10 A is well in the range of commercial power supplies, assuming your coil resistance is reasonable (that will influce your thermal load as well). Why 10 A?
 
Bern123 said:
The price of commercial solenoid is too high, and i need to build a lot of it(15-20) with different powers.
To do what?
 
A project, i need to move weights of 150 g within 50ms at 20hz. I need something like how to start project a solenoid, from specifics i need of solenoid to better wire type to power it. What i find is only solenoid physics theory but it is useless if i want to built one.
 

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