Buoyancy (Archimede's Principle) Problem

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The discussion revolves around a buoyancy problem involving a person floating in a salt lake and the comparison of buoyant forces in saltwater versus freshwater, utilizing Archimede's Principle.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the relationship between specific gravity and buoyancy, questioning how to mathematically express the difference in displaced water volumes between saltwater and freshwater. Some participants attempt to derive the volume of water displaced based on the weight of the person and the densities of the fluids.

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There is a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants providing calculations for the volume of water displaced in both freshwater and saltwater. Others suggest that the difference in volumes relates to the specific gravities, indicating a connection between the concepts being discussed.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework problem, focusing on the application of Archimede's Principle and the implications of specific gravity in buoyancy scenarios.

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Question:

Suppose a person weighing 530 Newtons is floating in a salt lake (concentration of 20% NaCl) with a specific gravity of 1.148. How much less of the person's body would be in the salt water as compared to if he were floating in ordinary water (w/ density 1.00g/cm^3)?

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One answer people keep giving me is that the weight "lost" is equal to the difference in specific gravities multiplied by the original weight. It doesn't seem obvious to me why someone would draw such a conclusion. I understand from Archimede's Principle that, as a result of the saltwater being more dense than ordinary water, less water must be displaced in order to balance the constant downward force mg of the person. However, I am having trouble expressing this mathematically.
 
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Well, what volume of water is displaced to support 530N? Now the same question for salt water? The difference is what you are looking for.
 
I really appreciate your help, but I'm really not sure how to go about finding the displaced water. The buoyant force must equal the weight of the displaced water, as well as the weight of the person because the system is in equilibrium, right?
 
Von Neumann said:
I really appreciate your help, but I'm really not sure how to go about finding the displaced water. The buoyant force must equal the weight of the displaced water, as well as the weight of the person because the system is in equilibrium, right?

The person will sink until he/she displaces a volume of water that weighs 530N. Does that help?
 
I think I understand!

F=mg
F=ρVg
=>V=F/(ρg)

So in freshwater:

V=530N/(1000kg/m^3*9.8m/s^2)=0.054m^3

And in salt water:

V=530N/(1148kg/m^3*9.8m/s^2)=0.047m^3

Is this correct?
 
Von Neumann said:
I think I understand!

F=mg
F=ρVg
=>V=F/(ρg)

So in freshwater:

V=530N/(1000kg/m^3*9.8m/s^2)=0.054m^3

And in salt water:

V=530N/(1148kg/m^3*9.8m/s^2)=0.047m^3

Is this correct?

Yes. The difference in the volumes are what they are looking for. Or possibly the ratio. You can see how that would be connected with the ratio of specific gravities, right?
 
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Thank you very much!
 
It seems that the specific gravities are intimately related to the density, making them useful in this problem.
 

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