Burning Bushes: The Science Behind Water Droplets and Fire Ignition

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The discussion revolves around the phenomenon of bush fires potentially being ignited by water droplets on grass, exploring the scientific principles behind this idea, including the role of light concentration and lens effects. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and technical explanations related to optics and fire ignition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how water droplets could start fires, suggesting that their small size may not allow for sufficient light concentration.
  • Another participant references personal experience with using a magnifying glass to start fires, implying a similar mechanism may apply to water droplets.
  • A participant explains that lenses, including water droplets, can concentrate light at their focal point, which is a key factor in fire ignition.
  • There is a mention of historical weather-recording devices that utilized similar principles of light concentration to indicate sunlight presence.
  • A later reply reiterates skepticism about the effectiveness of water droplets as lenses, emphasizing their distortion and inadequate size compared to traditional lenses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the feasibility of water droplets igniting fires, with some supporting the idea based on optical principles and others challenging it based on practical limitations.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the effectiveness of water droplets as lenses and the conditions required for fire ignition, which remain unresolved.

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It is said that bush fires in Africa can be started by water droplets in the grass. How could this work? What actually causes the burning?
 
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Have you ever used a magnifying glass in the sunlight to light fires?
 
yes, but i never knew how that worked..
 
The lens (or water drop) concentrates the light that enters it, at its focal point.
 
This is how some old weather-recording devices worked- a large glass ball sat in the center of a ring of paper. If the sun was out, the paper would have a char line, and if it was cloudy, there would be no line.
 
Andy Resnick said:
This is how some old weather-recording devices worked- a large glass ball sat in the center of a ring of paper. If the sun was out, the paper would have a char line, and if it was cloudy, there would be no line.

OK, and I'm not trying to be silly here at all, but I question the water droplet scenario.

A water droplet tends to be quite small, and I would imagine also grossly distorts while clinging to, say, a blade of grass or some such thing.

It seems to me that the droplets size itself, even if it could be shaped into an ideal lens for starting a fire, would simply be inadequate. After all, with a true lens the size of a water droplet, I tend to doubt there is enough surface area to concentrate sufficient sun-light to start a fire. Indeed, could a fire be started with a lens which has a diameter less than that of a pencil eraser?

But I could be wrong on that aspect.
Even if I were, a water droplet in nature is so grossly deformed apart from an ideal lens that the potential is even much less, it seems to me.

Just my thoughts...
 

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