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Bush trip to Mars a red herring

  1. Jan 14, 2004 #1
    What credit should President Bush receive for suggesting a manned Mars trip? Does he scheme to one-up Kennedy, evade failed policy, or nationalize the world (all for ~$500,000,000,000)?
     
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  3. Jan 15, 2004 #2
    GO BUSH! WOOHOOO!

    Lets kick some martian butt!
     
  4. Jan 15, 2004 #3

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    Yeah, This is for "War of the Worlds" Martian SCUM!!!
     
  5. Jan 15, 2004 #4
    Today, it was announced that Mars has oil!! It all makes sense now!
     
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  7. Jan 15, 2004 #6

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    Bush is too late

    http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2003/Sep-29-Mon-2003/news/22251899.html
     
  8. Jan 16, 2004 #7

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    where do i send my cheque???? at the rate we are 'exploring' people will be dying to buy moonland.. gotta be ahead of the game in the property market!
     
  9. Jan 16, 2004 #8

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    The three most important words in real estate:
    Location, location, location. :wink:
     
  10. Jan 16, 2004 #9

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    But what if oil, uranium, and WMD were discovered on 'your' lunar (or martian) half acre/bottom paddock/plot?
     
  11. Jan 16, 2004 #10

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    Uhhh... Be a true capitalist, sell off all three to the highest bidder, and get real rich real fast?
     
  12. Jan 17, 2004 #11

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  13. Jan 17, 2004 #12

    jimmy p

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    Hey, that was written on the earth, if im on my plot of land on the moon i'm not gonna care!
     
  14. Jan 17, 2004 #13

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    We have ways of MAKING you care ;-)

    You WILL care if Rummy thinks - or can be persuaded - that you have WMD
     
  15. Jan 17, 2004 #14
    Get out your space pen and sign on the dotted geodesic...
     
  16. Jan 17, 2004 #15

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    Funny, a few days ago one of the advertising banners here at PF was selling land on the moon.

    Ok, for all of you outer space entrepreneurs, here is the site to actually file claims for extra terrestrial ownership. It's not a joke site. Although, I would say that the people filing the claims are a little looney.
    http://www.permanent.com/archimedes/register.htm

    Lawrence D. Roberts, the Director of the Archimedes Institute, is an academic specializing in issues of space law and policy. The author of numerous articles on international law and space law and policy, Professor Roberts is a member of the faculty at the Fordham University Graduate School of Business. He has taught at New York University School of Law, Seton Hall Law School, New England School of Law and the City University of New York School of Law. He received his Bachelor of Arts degree from Columbia University, his Juris Doctor degree from Cornell Law School and his Master of Laws degree from New York University School of Law. A former chair of the American Bar Association's Committee on United States Aerospace Law and Policy, Roberts currently Chairs the A.B.A.'s Committee on International Aerospace Law, the National Space Society's Policy Committee and the X Prize Foundation's Law and Policy Committee.
     
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  17. Jan 17, 2004 #16
    from Ivans link..
    If they have "no right to stop him" on the basis of "no ownership rights" then they also have no right to validate, either, him, or his claim, nor responcibility to protect his 'rights' that he doesn't really have and really cannot enforce...legally speaking(?)
     
  18. Jan 17, 2004 #17

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    This is a very grey area in space law right now.

    "Article II of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty1 prohibits national appropriation of outer space, but it does not prohibit private appropriation.2 Hence, private entities may appropriate area in outer space or on a celestial body, although states may not.

    Because the relationship between property and territorial sovereignty differs under common law and civil law systems, it is not immediately clear whether Article II would permit national governments to confer property rights upon private entities under their jurisdiction."
     
  19. Jan 17, 2004 #18
    Whats not immediate, two differing nations could confer the same rights to two distinct and separate coporate (and or private) landclaimers, and you now have a conflict that the two states enter into via their respective assignatin of rights that they assign in a place where they enforce no rights, nor can support 'ownership' rights, and haven't the right to assign 'the right' that they don't really possess 'to assign' in the first place, perhaps it should only be "People from Earth" who travel out/off of this planets atmosphere/face...whadda ya think?
     
  20. Jan 17, 2004 #19

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    Lol, im not from the US of A so i dont give a damn what Donald Rumsfield wants. Being a Brit means that we have a walk-over leader, he will let us by land on Mars for our own inscrutable purposes if we pressurise him enough and threaten not to vote for him. what a loser :smile:
     
  21. Jan 17, 2004 #20

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    You've hit the nail on the head!

    One of the propositions is that there be some type of "homesteading" requirement where an individual that wants to make a "claim" has to actually set up residence for a set period of years, making improvements to property, etc..., similar to existing homesteading laws. For example one person has filed a claim on our Sun. I'd love to see him homestead. :wink:

    Space law is going to be extremely difficult unless they exclude individual claims as well as government claims.

    The people of earth are being rather presumptuous in thinking that they have any rights to claim anything off this planet.

    For all we know an alien could show up with a deed to our planet and tell us we've got 48 hours to evacuate. I'm being silly, but obviously for individual and business claims it's about potential money if we ever do manage to venture forth and begin to destroy other celestial bodies for fun and profit.
     
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