Calculate Arm from Torque and Force vectors?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the possibility of calculating the arm (lever arm) from given torque and force vectors. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved, particularly focusing on the cross product and the implications of force direction in relation to torque. The scope includes theoretical reasoning and mathematical exploration.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether it is possible to calculate the arm from torque and force, suggesting that their initial approach may not account for the component of the force that generates torque.
  • Another participant states that there are infinitely many points at which a given force can produce the same torque, implying a lack of uniqueness in the solution.
  • A third participant mentions the concept of transmissibility, suggesting that the points lie along the direction of the force vector.
  • A later reply proposes a method to find a valid position for the force application, even if the force is not perpendicular to the arm, and discusses the possibility of adjusting the position based on the force direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that there are multiple solutions to the problem, with no consensus on a definitive method to calculate the arm from torque and force.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the assumptions involved in their calculations, particularly about the components of the force that contribute to torque and the implications of force direction.

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Hi all,

If Torque = Arm cross Force
Is it possible to calculate the arm from the torque and the force?

I have tried to solve this using cross product of torque and force to give me the arm direction. Then normalizing the result and multiplying by torque magnitude / force magnitude. However I am guessing this is wrong as it doesn't take into account only the component of the force vector that is generating a torque. I am also wondering if this is even possible or if there are many solutions?

I essentially have a resulting force and torque and would like to work backwards from this to find the point at which the force was applied.

Any help much appreciated!
 
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chipmeisterc said:
I essentially have a resulting force and torque and would like to work backwards from this to find the point at which the force was applied.
There is an infinite number of points at which a given force will produce the same given torque.
 
Which lie along the force direction vector ( transmissibility? )
 
Will the following give me a valid possible position even if the force isn't perpendicular to the arm? -
Normalize( Torque cross Arm ) * ( Torque.Magnitude / Force.Magnitude )

If so, I do know roughly what plane the force should occur on so I am wondering if I can find my force position using the above then slide from that position using the force direction (transmissibility) until it hits my plane and that is where the force probably occurred?
 

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