Calculate Minimal Speed to Throw Stone from Moon to Earth

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To determine the minimal speed required to throw a stone from the Moon to reach Earth, the discussion centers on using gravitational potential energy and kinetic energy equations. The calculations involve the masses of the Earth and Moon, their radii, and the gravitational constant, leading to an initial estimate of approximately 2.26 km/s for the required speed. Participants in the discussion noted discrepancies in their calculations, with one arriving at 2.02 km/s and another adjusting their final answer to 2.315 km/s after correcting an error in their equation. The equilibrium distance from the Moon to the point where gravitational forces balance is stated to be 54R, which is essential for accurate calculations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of precise values and consistent units in solving gravitational problems.
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Homework Statement


At which minimal speed must a stone be thrown from the moon in order to reach earth.
R is the Earth's radius and r the moon's.
M is the Earth's mass and m the moon's.
I ignore the stone's mass, it cancels

Homework Equations


$$U=-\frac{GMm}{r}$$
G=6.7E-11
R=6.4E6 [m]
r=1.7E6 [m]
M=6E24 [kg]
m=M/81

The Attempt at a Solution


There is point A at a distance 54R that the forces equal. to reach there:
$$-\frac{GM}{81r}-\frac{GM}{60R-1.7E6}+\frac{V^2}{2}=-\frac{GM}{81\cdot 6R}-\frac{GM}{54R}$$
$$\frac{V^2}{2}=GM\left(-\frac{1}{81\cdot 6R}-\frac{1}{54R}+\frac{1}{81r}+\frac{1}{60R-1.7E6}\right)$$
$$V^2=2\cdot 6.7E-11 \cdot 6E24 \left( \frac{-54-81\cdot 6}{81\cdot 6\cdot 54\cdot 6.4E6}+\frac{1}{81\cdot 1.7E6}+\frac{1}{60\cdot6.4E24-1.7E6}\right)$$
$$V=1804$$
It should be V=2.26 [km/sec]
 

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You've already correctly found the (approximate) distance that it needs to travel in order to fall towards Earth instead of towards the moon.

From conservation of energy:
ΔKE = ΔGPE
(KE = Kinetic Energy ... GPE = Gravitational Potential Energy)ΔGPE will be the change between the moon's surface and the point 6R from the center of the moon

ΔKE will be (the negative of) the entire KE of the object (because we want it to run out of speed when it gets to that point, because the problem asked for the minimum speed)

So, essentially the problem comes down to finding the change in Gravitational Potential Energy.So what would you say the change in GPE would be?
 
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I'll try to discern what your math says is the ΔGPE

Karol said:

The Attempt at a Solution


$$-\frac{GM}{81r}-\frac{GM}{60R-1.7E6}+\frac{V^2}{2}=-\frac{GM}{81\cdot 6R}-\frac{GM}{54R}$$

I'll rearrange your equation to get:
$$(\frac{GM}{54R}-\frac{GM}{60R-1.7E6})+(\frac{GM}{81\cdot6R}-\frac{GM}{81r})=-\frac{V^2}{2}$$

On the left side we have ΔGPE and on the right side we have ΔKE
(except for the common factor of the mass of the object, which we will ignore)

Seems right to me.When I calculate it, though, my answer is 2.02 km/s

I'm not sure why it's a little different than the given answer of 2.26 km/s(I calculated it before my first reply and got 2.31 km/s ... I'm not sure what I did inconsistently)
Perhaps the discrepensy is from the estimation of the distance (54R and 6R) where the gravity is equal.Edit:
P.S. I think there's a E24 where there should be an E6 in your final equation (the last term)
 
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You are right about the last term:
$$V^2=2\cdot 6.7E-11 \cdot 6E24 \left( \frac{-54-81\cdot 6}{81\cdot 6\cdot 54\cdot 6.4E6}+\frac{1}{81\cdot 1.7E6}+\frac{1}{60\cdot6.4E6-1.7E6}\right)$$
This gives V=2315 which is closer.
The distance to the equilibrium point A is 54R according to the book
 
Karol said:
The distance to the equilibrium point A is 54R according to the book

Well then that's strange. I'm not sure what else could account for the error.
 
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