Calculate the density of an object by the amount of displaced mass in water

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The discussion revolves around calculating the density of an object, specifically a crown, by examining the mass of water it displaces when submerged. Participants are exploring the relationship between mass, volume, and buoyancy in the context of fluid mechanics.

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  • Participants are questioning how to derive the volume of the crown from the mass of water displaced. There is a focus on the distinction between weight and mass, and how buoyancy affects measurements. Some are attempting to clarify the implications of the crown's displacement in terms of volume and density.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the principles of buoyancy and displacement. Some have offered clarifications regarding the concepts of weight and mass, while others are exploring the implications of the measurements provided in the problem.

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Homework Statement
King Hiero II of Syracuse suspected he was being cheated by the goldsmith to whom he
had supplied the gold to make a crown. He asked Archimedes to find out if pure gold has
been substituted by the same weight of electrum (alloy of gold and silver). Archimedes
solved this problem by weighing the crown first in air and then in water. Suppose the
weight of crown in air was 740 g and in water 690 g. What should Archimedes have told
the king? Density of gold is 19.3 g/cm
Relevant Equations
##\rho = \frac{m}{v}##
I have the solution for this problem but I did not understand the following statement:

The mass of water the crown displaced is ##m = 740- 690= 50 g##. Therefore the volume of the crown is ## 50 cm^3##

how can I conclude the volume of the crown from that displacement?
 
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The mass of water the crown displaced is ##m = 740- 690= 50 g##. Therefore the volume of the crown is ## 50 cm^3##

how can I conclude the volume of the crown from that displacement?

How much does water weigh ?
 
There's probably a mistake here. You are using weight and mass interchangeably which is incorrect.
An object's mass wouldn't change in water.
 
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archaic said:
There's probably a mistake here. You are using weight and mass interchangeably which is incorrect.
An object's mass wouldn't change in water.

And to add to the potential confusion, an object's apparent weight would change but its weight wouldn't. And when we say something is 'weightless' we are implicitly referring to apparent weight
 
The solution is true for 100% however I do not understand the conclusion about the volume of the crown from the equation I mentioned
 
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An immersed object displaces its own volume of water.
 
sagigever said:
The solution is true for 100% however I do not understand the conclusion about the volume of the crown from the equation I mentioned
Let us start with the givens of the problem. The crown "weigh" 740 grams in air and "weighs" only 690 grams when immersed in water.

To establish this, one can imagine that an equal arm balance scale was employed. The crown was set on one pan and 740 standard grams on the other. The balance balanced. [Fortunately, King Hiero II had the foresight to acquire a set of properly calibrated SI measuring equipment].

Then a beaker of distilled water was procured and chilled to 4 degrees Celsius. The crown was hung from the balance pan by a slender thread so that it dangled, fully submerged in the water, not touching the sides or bottom. 690 standard grams were placed on the opposite pan and again the balance balanced.

Now we can dispense with much of the banter about whether this amounts to a measure of mass, of force, or of some bastardized hybrid of the two. Suffice it to say that the buoyancy provided by the water amounted to 50 grams-force.

How much buoyant force would there be on an object that displaced one cubic centimeter of water? Answer in grams-force for convenience.

How many cubic centimeters need to be displaced to result in 50 grams-force of buoyant force?

What does that say about the volume of the crown?
 
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sagigever said:
The solution is true for 100% however I do not understand the conclusion about the volume of the crown from the equation I mentioned
Please, see this:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insights/frequently-made-errors-mechanics-hydrostatics/

When fully summerged, that solid crown has occupied the volume that certain mass of liquid had been previously occupying.
If you know the relation between mass and volume of that specific liquid, which is more or less a fixed value for each substance (density), you can estimate the compromised volume of both, the liquid and the fully summerged solid.
 
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