Engineering Calculate the effective values in this 3-Phase Circuit

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The discussion revolves around calculating effective values in a 3-phase circuit involving resistors, capacitors, and inductors. Participants express confusion about starting the problem and derive expressions for current and impedance, particularly focusing on the middle LC network. It is noted that one coupled inductor is open-circuited, simplifying the analysis to two inductors and two capacitors in parallel. The equivalent reactance is discussed, leading to the conclusion that the active power of the generator is zero due to the absence of resistive elements in the circuit. Overall, the conversation highlights the complexities of analyzing 3-phase systems and the importance of understanding circuit configurations.
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Given the known quantities ##R, C, L##, ##k##, and the effective values of the voltages ##E_1=E_2=E_3=E## , ##w = \frac{1}{\sqrt{LC}}## of the direct-symmetrical 3-Phase system find the expressions for the effective values of ##U_{12}##, ##U## and ##I## and calculate the active power ##P## of the 3-Phase generator.

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Let me write down the solutions to this problem so we know what to aim for when solving it:
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I feel kinda overwhelmed to not even know where to start from. I think can express the current ##I_2## of the generator ##E_2## in terms of the total impedance of the middle part and the voltage ##U##.
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##U=jwI_1L+jwkLI'_2 => I'_2 = \frac{U}{jwkL}## since ##I_1=0##. The ##Z_e## in the diagram equals ##Z_e = jwL||\frac{1}{2jwC} = -jwL##.
The current ##I'_2 = I_2\frac{Z_e}{Z_e+L} => I_2 = \frac{U(k-jw)}{kLw^2}## and this is all i can get out of this first part. I could also make the left part like this:
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But i don't see how that would help. What am i missing? Is there a course of action to take that i don’t see here?
 

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First look at the middle LC network. One of the coupled inductors is open-circuited, so it won't have any effect on the main circuit. That leaves you with 2 Ls and 2 Cs, all in parallel. What would be their effective reactance?
 
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First look at the middle LC network. One of the coupled inductors is open-circuited, so it won't have any effect on the main circuit. That leaves you with 2 Ls and 2 Cs, all in parallel. What would be their effective reactance?
I get ##\frac{jwL}{2}||\frac{1}{2jwC} = \frac{-jwL}{2(1-wL)} = \frac{-jL}{2(\sqrt{LC}-L)}##
 
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What can you say about Xc and XL given that ω=1/√LC? What would be the equivalent reactance of the LC network?
 
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What can you say about Xc and XL given that ω=1/√LC? What would be the equivalent reactance of the LC network?
Oh, ##X_L = X_C##. So at the points where ##Z_e## should be is open circuit, no current ##I_2## in that branch and since the only resistive element is in that branch that explains ##P = P_R = 0##. The voltage on the two capacitors must be the same as the same current goes through them and that's how i got ##U_{12}##. One thing about ##I##, is there an easier way than to turn this into a 3 inductors on the right side as drawn on the picture in the original post?
 

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