Calculating acceleration on an inclined plane (with friction)

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The discussion revolves around calculating the acceleration of a system involving a block on an inclined plane and a weight on a flat surface, with friction considered. The problem includes specific values for mass, angle, and the coefficient of friction.

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  • Participants explore different methods for calculating the net force and acceleration, with one participant attempting to clarify the professor's approach involving tension in the rope. Others express uncertainty about the calculations and seek validation of their reasoning.

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Some participants have provided alternative formulations and insights into the problem, while others are still grappling with the differences in results. There is a recognition of various approaches being discussed without a clear consensus on the correct method.

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Participants mention a looming test and express anxiety about understanding the concepts involved, indicating a time constraint that may affect their ability to resolve the discussion fully.

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Homework Statement


A 38kg block is on a slope that is 50 degrees above the horizon. The box is attached to a 9kg weight that rests on a flat surface (connected to the top of the slope). The coefficient of friction for both surfaces is 0.12. Calculate the acceleration of the system.


Homework Equations


Fnet = Fapp - Ff
Fgx = (sin[angle])(gravity)(mass)
F = ma

The Attempt at a Solution



Fnet = Fapp - Ff
Fnet = (38 * 9.81 * (sin50)) - (9*9.81*.12) - ((Cos50)*9.81*38*0.12)
Fnet = 246.1

F = ma

a = f/m
a = 246.21/(38+9)
a = 5.24m/s^2

My professor got 2.9m/s^2 and I can't see where (if) I'm going wrong. Help would be absolutely fantastic. Thanks!
 
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I can't find a fault in your reasoning or calculation either.
 
He was using the formula "Fnet = Fapp - Ff (of the 38kg object) - T2" where T2 is tension in the rope that is connecting the two weights, if that helps. I can't really explain much about about it though, since it was the first time I had ever seen it used in my life and he didn't really explain it either.

I have a test about this kind of thing tomorrow and it's freaking me out right now. >_> Thanks so much!
 
Bobazoide said:
He was using the formula "Fnet = Fapp - Ff (of the 38kg object) - T2" where T2 is tension in the rope that is connecting the two weights,
That's a perfectly reasonable approach, but it should produce the same answer:
M = 38, m = 9, kinetic friction coefficient = μ, slope = α, accn = a.
Ma = Mg sin(α) - T - Mgμ cos(α)
ma = T - mgμ
Summing:
Ma + ma = Mg sin(α) - mgμ - Mgμ cos(α)
a = g(M sin(α) - mμ - Mμ cos(α))/(M+m)
= 9.81*(38*sin(50*pi()/180) - 9*.12 - 38*.12*cos(50*pi()/180))/(38+9) = 5.24
 
Well I'll show that to him before the test, then. Thank you so much; I really appreciate it!
 

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