Calculating Entropy Change in a Lead-Lake System

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The discussion focuses on calculating the entropy change in a lead-lake system, specifically for a 5.0-kg piece of lead cooling from 600°C in a lake at 15°C. The initial calculation for the lead's entropy change yielded -710 J/K, while the book suggested -540 J/K, leading to doubts about the book's accuracy. Participants confirmed the heat transfer to the lake and calculated its entropy change as 1300 J/K, resulting in a total universe entropy change of 590 J/K. The conversation highlights the importance of accurate data and calculations in thermodynamic problems.
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Homework Statement



A 5.0-kg piece of lead at a temperature of is 600 Celsius placed in a lake whose temperature is 15 Celsius. Determine the entropy change of (a) the lead piece, (b) the lake, and (c) the universe.

mass of lead=5 kg
initial temperature of lead=873.15 K
final temperature of lead=288.15 assumed that the temperature of lake won't noticeably change)
heat capacity of lead=128 J/(kg⋅K)

Homework Equations


For the lead,
ΔS=mass of lead⋅heat capacity of lead⋅ln(final temperature/initial temperature)

For the lake and the universe I am not sure where to begin.

The Attempt at a Solution


For the lead I got
ΔS=-710 J/K

The books answer is ΔS=-540 J/K for the lead. I feel like the book isn't giving all of the necessary data to solve this problem (i.e. the size of the lake).
 
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Chemmjr18 said:

Homework Statement



A 5.0-kg piece of lead at a temperature of is 600 Celsius placed in a lake whose temperature is 15 Celsius. Determine the entropy change of (a) the lead piece, (b) the lake, and (c) the universe.

mass of lead=5 kg
initial temperature of lead=873.15 K
final temperature of lead=288.15 assumed that the temperature of lake won't noticeably change)
heat capacity of lead=128 J/(kg⋅K)

Homework Equations


For the lead,
ΔS=mass of lead⋅heat capacity of lead⋅ln(final temperature/initial temperature)

For the lake and the universe I am not sure where to begin.

The Attempt at a Solution


For the lead I got
ΔS=-710 J/K

The books answer is ΔS=-540 J/K for the lead. I feel like the book isn't giving all of the necessary data to solve this problem (i.e. the size of the lake).
I confirm your 710 value.

How much heat is transferred to the lake? With this amount of heat transferred, if the lake is considered an ideal reservoir at 15 C, what is its change in entropy? What is the sum of the entropy change of the lead and the lake?
 
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Chestermiller said:
I confirm your 710 value.

How much heat is transferred to the lake? With this amount of heat transferred, if the lake is considered an ideal reservoir at 15 C, what is its change in entropy? What is the sum of the entropy change of the lead and the lake?

Thanks for your help. I guess the book is wrong (which isn't surprising). For the lake, I got ΔS=1300 J/K and for the universe, I got ΔS=590 J/K.
 
Chemmjr18 said:
Thanks for your help. I guess the book is wrong (which isn't surprising). For the lake, I got ΔS=1300 J/K and for the universe, I got ΔS=590 J/K.
Confirmed.
 
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Chestermiller said:
Confirmed.
Thanks for the help!
 
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