Calculating Flux density in a DC-DC converter coil

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating flux density in a DC-DC converter design that incorporates a transformer and an additional inductive element on the secondary side. Participants explore the implications of pulse characteristics on flux density calculations, particularly in the context of a 30kHz frequency and 50% duty cycle operation.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether to treat the two 30kHz 50% duty cycle pulses as a single 100% duty cycle pulse for flux density calculations, or if the second pulse, resulting from field collapse, should be excluded.
  • Another participant suggests that the flux density varies with time and proposes solving the DC differential equations or approximating the square wave as a sine wave to calculate the RMS value.
  • A different participant emphasizes the importance of knowing the core geometry and winding configuration to accurately determine flux density, suggesting the creation of an equivalent reluctance circuit based on core geometry.
  • One participant discusses the series connection of secondary coils and the impact of diode placement on voltage polarity during the pulse and field collapse phases, raising questions about series aiding versus series opposing configurations.
  • A request for clarification on the polarity dots for the coils is made, indicating a need for further understanding of the magnetic circuit involved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on how to approach the calculation of flux density, with no consensus reached on whether to include the second pulse in the calculations or how to account for the core geometry and winding configurations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the lack of specific information regarding core geometry and winding configurations, which are critical for accurate calculations. The discussion also reflects varying assumptions about the behavior of the magnetic circuit and the impact of the diode on the circuit dynamics.

hobbs125
Messages
108
Reaction score
0
Hello Everyone.

I am working on a DC-DC converter design which uses a transformer with an additional inductive element on the secondary side. The coil charges a large capacitor.

Since there is an additional inductive element on the secondary side the inductive element builds up a field while the pulse is applied (30kHz 50% duty cycle). When the pulse ends the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same duration (30kHz 50% duty cycle) and polarity since a diode is in series with the coil and capacitor (see attachment)

My question is: How do I calculate the Flux density since there are (2) 30kHz 50% duty cycle pulses...Do I calculate it as if it were a single 100% duty cycle 30kHz pulse? Or does the second pulse not count since it is the field collapsing?

Thanks for the help! It is greatly appreciated.
 

Attachments

  • core bsat.png
    core bsat.png
    1.4 KB · Views: 645
Engineering news on Phys.org
hobbs125 said:
My question is: How do I calculate the Flux density since there are (2) 30kHz 50% duty cycle pulses...Do I calculate it as if it were a single 100% duty cycle 30kHz pulse? Or does the second pulse not count since it is the field collapsing?

The flux density varies with time. You can either solve the DC differential equations, LdI/dt, or you can approximate the square wave as a sin with the fundamental frequency and take the RMS.
 
hobbs125 said:
Hello Everyone.

I am working on a DC-DC converter design which uses a transformer with an additional inductive element on the secondary side. The coil charges a large capacitor.

Since there is an additional inductive element on the secondary side the inductive element builds up a field while the pulse is applied (30kHz 50% duty cycle). When the pulse ends the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same duration (30kHz 50% duty cycle) and polarity since a diode is in series with the coil and capacitor (see attachment)

My question is: How do I calculate the Flux density since there are (2) 30kHz 50% duty cycle pulses...Do I calculate it as if it were a single 100% duty cycle 30kHz pulse? Or does the second pulse not count since it is the field collapsing?

Thanks for the help! It is greatly appreciated.

Without knowing anything about the core geometry and how the winding's are built this is impossible to answer.

Basically the process is come up with an equivalent reluctance circuit of your core based on the core geometry, then place the windings appropriately as MMF sources, then your primary is the driver (ie its providing the MMF) and then the reluctance circuit determines the total flux and how its distributed in the core, then you can start to see what your secondary and auxiliary winding are doing.

Primer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_circuit
 
hobbs125 said:
Since there is an additional inductive element on the secondary side the inductive element builds up a field while the pulse is applied (30kHz 50% duty cycle). When the pulse ends the field collapses and produces another pulse of the same duration (30kHz 50% duty cycle) and polarity since a diode is in series with the coil and capacitor
First off, you have a series circuit of two secondaries and a diode. Whether the diode is between the those windings or after them make no difference.

Are you saying during the pulse that the top of the secondary is a given polarity (let's say "+" for ease of discussion) and after the pulse, during field collapse, that the right end of the 3rd coil is "+"?

If that is the case, the coils are connected in series opposing and the voltages will subtract from each other during the whole cycle.

If the secondaries are connected in series aiding, they are just a single secondary with the voltage being the sum from the two.

Here is a short slide slow that gives the rudiments (beginning information) of various converters.
http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~dcdc/slides/DC-DC part 4_Double .pdf
Above link found with:
https://www.google.com/search?&q=forward+converter+vs+flyback
Cheers,
Tom
 
hobbs125 said:
I am working on a DC-DC converter design which uses a transformer with an additional inductive element on the secondary side. The coil charges a large capacitor.
Since all 3 coils share the same core, can you show the polarity dots for each please? Thanks.

1563988997284.png
 

Similar threads

Replies
5
Views
4K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
3K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 10 ·
Replies
10
Views
3K
  • · Replies 12 ·
Replies
12
Views
6K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
6K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
2K
  • · Replies 43 ·
2
Replies
43
Views
7K