Calculating Gas Flow Rate in a 180km Stainless Steel Natural Gas Pipeline

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The discussion revolves around calculating the gas flow rate in a 180km stainless steel natural gas pipeline, given specific parameters such as pressure at the start and end of the pipeline, pipe diameter, and properties of natural gas. The focus includes theoretical calculations, assumptions regarding flow type, and the incorporation of friction factors in the flow rate equation.

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  • One participant presents an equation for flow rate, Q, and attempts to calculate kinematic velocity and Reynolds number, concluding that the flow is laminar.
  • Another participant questions how to incorporate the friction factor into the flow rate equation, expressing confusion over the role of the Moody diagram.
  • Some participants clarify that the Moody diagram is used to estimate the coefficient of friction and that the pressure drop is already known in this scenario.
  • There is a suggestion that if the flow is laminar, friction may not need to be accounted for, leading to a sense of ease regarding the calculations.
  • A later reply indicates a potential error in the Reynolds number calculation, suggesting that mean velocity should be used instead of viscosity, which adds to the confusion about the analysis.

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Participants express uncertainty about the incorporation of friction factors in the flow rate equation and whether friction needs to be considered in laminar flow. There is no consensus on the correct approach to the problem or the calculations involved.

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Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of how to apply the Moody diagram and the implications of laminar flow on friction considerations. There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the Reynolds number and flow rate calculations.

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This discussion may be useful for students or professionals interested in fluid dynamics, particularly in the context of natural gas pipelines and flow rate calculations.

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1. The pressure at the start of a 180km stainless steel natural gas pipeline is 4Mpa and at the end is 2Mpa. If the diameter of the pipe is 0.4m, what will be the gas flow rate through the system? (ignore losses other than friciton)
(for natural gas, \rho= 40kg/m3, \mu= 11x10-6 Pas
2.

\nu=\mu/\rho (kinematic velocity)

Re = \mu*D/\nu (Reynolds number)

Q= (\pi*D^4/ 128*\mu*L)*(P1-P2) (Flow rate)
3. First I found the Kinematic velocity; \nu=11x10-6/40 = 2.75*10-7

I subbed this value into the reynolds number equation;

Re = 1x10-6*0.4/2.75*10-7 = 16

As the Re number is less than 2100 the flow is laminar and I can use the above equation, I also used the moody diagram to establish the friction factor; The pipe is stainless steel so the relative rougness was equal to .045/.4*103 this part I wasn't quite sure of but I found the friction factor value to be (.002)

Now all I have to do is sub into this equation:
Q= (\pi*D^4/ 128*\mu*L)*(P1-P2) correct?

But how do I incorporate the friction factor? Also Is my analysis of the problem correct?
 
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Anyone have any help?
 
Moody diagrams are used to find pressure drops I think. Here you know the pressure drop.
 
I don't see any "friction factor" terms in your Q equation. And you do know P1-P2. So...
 
If you were wanting to determine the pressure drop due to the roughness of the pipe then yes you would need to know the friction factor. But you already know the pressure drop.
 
Ah ok, If its a laminar flow no need to account for friction. Just seems a bit too easy, was one of the questions with the most marks
 
cd19 said:
Ah ok, If its a laminar flow no need to account for friction. Just seems a bit too easy, was one of the questions with the most marks
That's the way I see it. :smile:
 
I've just noticed something, My Re equation is wrong it should be (u) Mean velocity instead of \mu Viscosity, And to find u = Q/A , Now I'm completely confused.
 

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