Calculating Heat for Temperature Changes in a Rigid Container | Thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around calculating the heat required to change the temperature of hydrogen gas in a rigid container across various temperature ranges. The subject area is thermodynamics, particularly focusing on heat transfer and the properties of gases.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the use of the equation for thermal energy change and question the differences in heat calculations across different temperature ranges despite the same temperature difference. Some participants suggest using heat capacities and the ideal gas law, while others raise concerns about the appropriateness of using specific heat capacities in the context of constant pressure versus constant volume.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the implications of using different heat capacities for hydrogen gas at varying temperatures. Some participants have provided calculations and questioned the validity of their approaches, indicating a productive dialogue about the underlying principles.

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Participants are considering the effects of temperature on heat capacity and the assumptions regarding the conditions of the gas (constant volume vs. constant pressure). There is a reference to external resources for heat capacities, and some calculations appear to be based on differing interpretations of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement


A rigid container holds 0.680 g of hydrogen gas. How much heat is needed to change the temperature of the gas
From 50 K to 100 K?
From 250 K to 300 K?
From 550 K to 600 K?
From 2250 K to 2300 K?

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the first one using delta E_th = (3/2)N*K_b*delta T
= (0.68g/2.0158g/mol)*6.02*10^23*1.38*10^-23*50K=210J

I don't understand why there should be a difference the questions, it seems to me all the temperature difference is 50K
 
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Shayna said:

Homework Statement


A rigid container holds 0.680 g of hydrogen gas. How much heat is needed to change the temperature of the gas
From 50 K to 100 K?
From 250 K to 300 K?
From 550 K to 600 K?
From 2250 K to 2300 K?

The Attempt at a Solution


I calculated the first one using delta E_th = (3/2)N*K_b*delta T
= (0.68g/2.0158g/mol)*6.02*10^23*1.38*10^-23*50K=210J

I don't understand why there should be a difference the questions, it seems to me all the temperature difference is 50K
If you use the ideal gas law, there is no difference to the answers. If you use the actual heat capacities of H2 gas, however, the heat capacity increases with temperature. See http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/hydrogen-d_976.html" for example. (Use: [itex]Q = mC_v\Delta T[/itex]). If you are using the ideal gas law, you have to use a molar heat capacity for Cv = 5R/2 since H2 gas is diatomic.

AM
 
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For example From 250 K to 300 K
I got the Cv from the form =14.55 therefore Cp=Cv+R=22.84
LaTeX Code: Q = mC_v\\Delta T =0.68*10^-3 kg * 22.84* 50K = 776.56 J
But that isn't right
 
Shayna said:
For example From 250 K to 300 K
I got the Cv from the form =14.55 therefore Cp=Cv+R=22.84
LaTeX Code: Q = mC_v\\Delta T =0.68*10^-3 kg * 22.84* 50K = 776.56 J
But that isn't right
Why are you using Cp? If Q = mC_v\\Delta T and Cv = 14.55, why are you using a heat capacity of 22.84? Is pressure constant in this process?

AM
 

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