Calculating Inductance for DC Filter to Remove Noise

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The discussion revolves around the design of a DC filter intended to remove noise from an amplifier circuit, specifically addressing the challenges of calculating the necessary inductance for the filter. Participants explore the potential sources of noise, including 60Hz hum, and consider various components and configurations for the filter.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks guidance on calculating the inductance needed for a DC filter to eliminate noise, mentioning a DC power input of 16V @ 4A and a DC resistance of 4 Ohms.
  • Questions are raised about the quality factor (Q) at frequency and self-resonant frequency, with a preference for using a ferrite core for the inductor.
  • Another participant asks for more information about the system to better understand the source of the 60Hz noise, suggesting it could be due to ripple from the input bridge rectifier or interference from AC-powered devices.
  • A participant reflects on the possibility of the noise being related to grounding issues, despite uncertainty about how that would affect the circuit.
  • There is mention of a voltage ripple rejection pin on the OPAmp, with a participant questioning its typical connection and expressing confusion over its relevance.
  • One participant reports experimenting with grounding the ripple rejection pin, which resulted in audio issues, and notes that the hum was only present on one channel.
  • Plans are shared to test a different DC-powered audio source to determine if it reduces noise, with speculation that the noise may originate from the internal DC rectifier of the current radio being used.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the source of the noise and the effectiveness of filtering solutions. There is no consensus on the best approach to resolve the noise issue, and multiple hypotheses about its origin remain under discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions regarding the noise source, and there are unresolved questions about the specific characteristics of the filter components needed for effective noise reduction.

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I'm trying to setup a DC filter to remove noise that's is entering an amplifier circuit. It's just standard line current noise at 60Hz. I can't figure out how on the other hand how to calculate the necessary values to pick an inductor that will do the job.

The DC power in is 16V @ 4A, DC Resistance just using Ohms Law is 4Ohms.

To pick an inductor I need to know the inductance in Henry's, and a few things I have know nothing about:

Q @ Freq
Self Resonant Frequency

Most likely I'm going to go with a Ferrite core but I'm not 100% on that yet, but I think it would work best.

What do you guys think?
 
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I'm trying to setup a DC filter to remove noise that's is entering an amplifier circuit. It's just standard line current noise at 60Hz. I can't figure out how on the other hand how to calculate the necessary values to pick an inductor that will do the job.

The DC power in is 16V @ 4A, DC Resistance just using Ohms Law is 4Ohms.

To pick an inductor I need to know the inductance in Henry's, and a few things I have know nothing about:

Q @ Freq
Self Resonant Frequency

Most likely I'm going to go with a Ferrite core but I'm not 100% on that yet, but I think it would work best.

What do you guys think?

Welcome to the PF. It would help to know more about the system that you are dealing with. Why are you finding 60Hz hum in your DC power supply? Is it from ripple from the input bridge rectifier, or some other shared impedance pickup from some 60Hz AC powered device?

There are several things that we would need to know to help you design and optimize a filter for your application. Can you tell us more, and maybe even attach a sketch of your system?
 
Well the 60Hz noise was just an idea. I'm actually building it as a prototype at the moment. I've been using a DC power supply, and also got the same results using a car battery. So I just kinda guessed that it was line voltage noise. I only heard the hum on the speakers. Another idea that got mentioned is a grounding issue, but I don't see how what would work.

But mentioning the ripple there made an idea pop into my head. The OPAmp has a pin labelled "voltage ripple rejection" but my teacher said that I shouldn't worry about it, so I just left the row blank. What would that normally connect to?

Here is the data sheet for the OPAmp: http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/philips/TDA1554Q.pdf

It's kinda late right now but I'll throw up a sketch of the system tomorrow for sure.
 
If you're getting 60Hz hum when running off of a battery, the problem will not be solved with filtering. You need to figure out where the hum pickup is coming from, and address that source.
 
Today after some more cankering I grounded the ripple rejection, which totally killed the audio out. I then tried to connect the second speaker, the connector was damaged so I'm not sure if it was working properly. It system worked with a grounded ripple rejection pin and a 100uF capacitor. The hum was only present on one channel.

Tommorow I'm going to bring in a DC powered audio source (a pocket radio), instead the the huge AC powered radio I'm using right now. I hope that'll work out better. I think that the noise might be coming from the radio's internal DC rectifier.

I'll post a sketch when I get home.
 
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