Calculating magnetic force on semicircle conductor

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The discussion focuses on calculating the total magnetic force on a semicircular conductor using the equation dF = Idl × B. The user initially derives the force components and integrates them, obtaining a result of IB(2R + L)j. However, they later attempt to use the cross product for dF and find a different result of -2IBRi + IBRj. The confusion arises from the calculation of the dℓ vector components, particularly regarding the cosine and sine functions, and the integration over the cosine leading to zero due to symmetry. The thread highlights the importance of correctly determining the vector components in magnetic force calculations.
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Homework Statement


Given the figure below[/B]
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I need to calculate the total magnetic force on the semicircle section of the conductor.
Current is I, Radius is R, and the Magnetic Field is B.

Homework Equations


d\vec{F} = Id\vec{l} \times \vec{B}[/B]

The Attempt at a Solution


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dl is equal to Rdθ

Since d\vec{l} and \vec{B} are perpendicular, the magnitude of the force on the segment d\vec{l} is equal to I dl B = I(Rdθ)B, and the components of these forces is I(Rdθ)Bcosθ and I(Rdθ)Bsinθ. Integrating these separately from 0 to π and adding the result gives IB(2R+L)j.

However, I am trying to solve it using the cross product to obtain d\vec{F} and then solve it from there.

The magnetic field vector is 0i + 0j + Bk
And the vector for d\vec{l} I got was Rdθcosθ i + Rdθsinθ j + 0k

Calculating the cross product yields
-IBRdθsinθi + IBRdθcosθj + 0k

Integrating to from 0 to π to obtain \vec{F} yields
-2IBRi + IBRj + 0k

This vector is obviously different than what was obtained before, and I am wondering where I went wrong.
I think that a place I could have gone wrong is when I found d\vec{l} as Rdθcosθ i + Rdθsinθ j + 0k, but I don't know of any other way I could get the components for the vector.

I'd appreciate if somebody could enlighten me as to where I went wrong. Thank you.
 
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If j is the vertical axis and your angle goes from 0 to pi, the vector dl needs the cosine for the j component (and sine for i): the cable starts alone the j direction.

The integration over the cosine should lead to 0 due to symmetry.
 
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