Calculating Relative Motion of A, B, & C: Agree?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the calculations of relative motion between three moving frames, A, B, and C, with examples including trains and objects moving within them. Participants explore whether the speed calculations made by observers in each frame will agree reciprocally.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the speed of C relative to A will equal the speed of A relative to C, seeking confirmation of this reciprocal relationship.
  • Another participant asserts that the speeds will indeed agree reciprocally, stating that the speed of C with respect to A is the same as the speed of A with respect to C.
  • A further contribution mentions the use of reciprocal Doppler radar measurements and the relativistic addition of velocities equation to verify speed calculations in both directions.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the clarification regarding the sufficiency of the addition of velocities equation for theoretical calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While some participants agree on the reciprocal nature of the speed calculations, the discussion includes varying methods and interpretations of how to arrive at those calculations, indicating that multiple views remain on the specifics of the approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the relativistic addition of velocities and Doppler measurements, but the discussion does not resolve any assumptions or conditions under which these methods apply.

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This is indirectly addressed in some posts but I can't find a direct answer to the following: consider moving frames A, B, and C (e.g., A, B, and C are 3 trains moving at different speeds on the same track; or A is a train, B is a person walking inside the train holding a tray, and C is a wind-up toy moving along the tray; etc.). Now observers in each frame calculate the speed of the objects in the two other frames relative to them. Will these calculations always agree reciprocally--e.g., will a person in A calculate a speed for the motion of C that is the same (magnitude) as the speed calculated by a person in C for the motion of A? I believe the answer is "yes" but would like confirmation.
 
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Yes. The speed of C with respect to A (as measured by A) is the same as the speed of A with respect to C (as measured by C).
 
What Doc Al mentioned can be accomplished by e.g. reciprocal (Doppler) radar measurements. Wsellers mentioned calculated speeds, for which the relativistic addition of velocities equation can be used to verify the answer in both directions, first with positive velocities and then with negative velocities.
 
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Thanks to both for your prompt replies! (I wasn't sure that all that was needed to do the calculation theoretically was the addition of velocities equation, so the post from Jorrie clarifies that.)
 

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