Calculating Ring Capacitance: MKS Units & Math Involved

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The discussion revolves around calculating the capacitance of a charged ring and the associated tension in the wire. The original poster seeks clarification on the derivation of the capacitance formula and its applicability in MKS units. They express difficulty in understanding the complex mathematics involved, including elliptic integrals and toroidal functions. The focus shifts to calculating the force on a charged particle within the ring, leading to an integral that diverges at certain angles, highlighting the challenges of modeling infinitely thin wires. A suggestion is made to consider the wire's thickness for more accurate calculations in close proximity scenarios.
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I was reading the following thread at stackexachange.
http://physics.stackexchange.com/qu...e-electrostatic-force-does-wire-thickness-mat

The first answer calculates the radial force using the capacitance of ring. Any ideas how the poster derived the formula for capacitance? Is the formula different for MKS units? I am interested in deriving it if it doesn't involves too much of mathematics.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
 
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gneill said:
Nasty math including complete elliptic integrals, toroidal functions, and recurrence relations; see:

The Capacitance of and Anchor Ring

Nope, I definitely cannot understand that. Does the formula remains same in MKS unit?

Btw, I am much more interested in calculating tension in the ring. I tried calculating force on a single particle which subtends a very small angle of ##2\alpha## at the center. The charge on this small part is ##\lambda R (2\alpha)## where ##\lambda## is the linear charge density and R is the radius of ring. It is obvious that that the force on this small particle is horizontal in direction (along the radius R). Consider another particle subtending angle ##d\theta##. Charge on this is ##\lambda (Rd\theta)##. The force due to second particle on first is
dF=\frac{k\lambda^2 R^2 2\alpha d\theta}{r^2}
where ##r^2=4R^2\sin^2(\theta/2)## (calculated from the law of cosines).
Integrating the component along the horizontal direction i.e integrating ##dF\sin(\theta/2)##
F=\int_0^{2\pi} \frac{k\lambda^2 R^2 2\alpha d\theta}{4R^2\sin (\theta/2)}

But wolframalpha says that its not possible to calculate the above integral. :confused:

Thank you!
 

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Pranav-Arora said:
F=\int_0^{2\pi} \frac{k\lambda^2 R^2 2\alpha d\theta}{4R^2\sin (\theta/2)}

But wolframalpha says that its not possible to calculate the above integral. :confused:
It clearly diverges near θ=0. This is not uncommon when treating charge as distributed on an infinitely thin wire. In reality, wires have thickness, and this becomes important at close quarters between the two regions of charge being considered in the integral. A possible way around it is to use a different approximation for that part of the integration where the two elements are within a distance equal to the wire's thickness, or thereabouts.
 
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