Calculating Spring Constant and Work Done on a Compressed Spring

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The discussion revolves around calculating the work done on a compressed spring and determining the spring constant using a scenario involving a 100 kg man stepping onto a spring from a height of 10 meters. Initial calculations for work done were incorrect due to misapplication of formulas, particularly in the context of gravitational force. The correct approach involves using the potential energy formula for gravity, W = mgh, and the spring potential energy formula, W = (1/2)kd^2. The final calculations yield a work done of 3430 J and a spring constant of approximately 140 N/m, emphasizing the importance of using the correct equations for different forces. Understanding the distinction between constant forces like gravity and variable forces like springs is crucial for accurate calculations.
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Homework Statement


A man that has a mass of 100kg stands on a platform 10m high. Right next to the platform is a spring of the same height. When the man steps off the platform and steps onto the spring, the spring compresses to 3m in height. What is the work done on the spring? What is the spring constant?


Homework Equations


w=(1/2)Fd
F=ma
w=(1/2)kD2


The Attempt at a Solution


w=(1/2)(100kgx10m/s/s)(10m-3m)=3500J


3500J=(1/2)k(7m)2
k=142.9 N/m


Am I using the correct equations and if so, am I getting the right answer?
 
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You seem to have used a valid approach to solve the problem, but the equation for work done by gravity on the man is not quite right and, not knowing what precision is required, I would probably expect a more precise value of g to be used.
 
Filip Larsen said:
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You seem to have used a valid approach to solve the problem, but the equation for work done by gravity on the man is not quite right and, not knowing what precision is required, I would probably expect a more precise value of g to be used.

Using 9.8 m/s2:
w=(1/2)(F)(d)
w=(1/2)(100kg x 9.8 m/s2)(10m-3m)
w=3430J

I'm using w=(1/2)Fd because it is derived from w=(1/2)kd2 since k*d = F.

3430J=(1/2)k(7)2
k=140 N/m
 
danvalen1 said:
Using 9.8 m/s2:
w=(1/2)(F)(d)

As Filip Larsen points out, you are not using the correct formula for the work done by gravity.

I'm using w=(1/2)Fd because it is derived from w=(1/2)kd2 since k*d = F.

The formula for the force on a spring,

F = kd

is correct.

The formula for the potential energy of a spring, or work done on a spring,

W = \frac{1}{2}kd^2

is also correct. Let me show you where this comes from. By the definition of,

W = \int \vec F \cdot d \vec s

we have as applied to a spring (using the variable x instead of d, for the compression distance),

W = \int _0 ^x \vec F(x') \cdot d \vec x'

= \int _0 ^x kx dx,

Thus

W = \frac{1}{2} k x^2.

Or if you use d for the compression distance,

W = \frac{1}{2} k d^2.

But,

W \ne \frac{1}{2}Fd.

It doesn't "work" that way.

For gravity, assuming a constant acceleration, thus constant force over h,

W = \int \vec F \cdot d \vec s

becomes,

W = \int _0 ^h \vec F \cdot d \vec z

= \int _0 ^h mg dz.

But here (unlike the spring case), m and g (and F, for that matter) are constant over z, and can be pulled out from under the integral.

W = mg \int _0 ^h dz

Which becomes,

W = mgh

Or if you'd rather,

W = F _g h

where Fg is the force due to gravity (assuming constant acceleration).

The major difference between gravity and a spring, is that in the case of gravity, the force is constant. In the case of a spring, the force is proportional to the amount of compression. So they each have correspondingly different equations for their work functions (or potential energy functions, if you interpret it that way).
 
Now I get why I can't use that. Thank you very much!
 
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