Calculating temp rise caused by electric arc in an enclosed space

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The discussion revolves around calculating the change in gas temperature caused by an electric arc in a closed space or apparatus. Participants explore the parameters involved, such as volume, pressure, density, current, temperature, voltage, and spark gap distance, while focusing specifically on the temperature change resulting from the arc.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests calculating the energy delivered to the gas by multiplying the electrical power of the arc by the duration of the arc, noting uncertainty about the proportions of energy used for light versus heating the gas.
  • Another participant proposes measuring the power supplied to the arc and using the specific heat capacity of the gas to compute the temperature rise, providing specific values for air at constant volume and pressure.
  • A calculation example is provided, illustrating how to determine the temperature rise based on energy supplied and specific heat capacity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants appear to agree on the general approach of using energy calculations and specific heat capacity, but there is no consensus on the proportions of energy distribution between light and heating, nor on the exact methodology for computing the temperature change.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the efficiency of energy transfer and the specific heat capacities are mentioned, but these remain unresolved and depend on the conditions of the experiment.

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Summary:: Given a known closed space/apparatus ( e.g. constant volume, pressure, density, current, temperature, voltage, spark gap distance - let me know if I missed something) how would I compute the change in gas temperature.

Hello,

Given a known closed space/apparatus ( e.g. constant volume, pressure, density, current temperature, voltage, current, spark gap distance - let me know if I missed something) how would I compute the change in gas temperature. Obviously, temperature is not the only perameter that would change, I'm just focused on that parameter for now.

Thanks!
 
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Welcome to PF.

I would think that a first approximation would be to calculate the energy delivered to the gas (the electrical power to generate the arc multiplied by the arc duration in seconds). That energy would go into the light from the arc and the heating of the gas. I'm not sure in what proportions, though.

[Note -- Thread moved from the EE forum to the Thermo forum for better replies]
 
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pixelsnpings said:
Summary:: Given a known closed space/apparatus ( e.g. constant volume, pressure, density, current, temperature, voltage, spark gap distance - let me know if I missed something) how would I compute the change in gas temperature.

Hello,

Given a known closed space/apparatus ( e.g. constant volume, pressure, density, current temperature, voltage, current, spark gap distance - let me know if I missed something) how would I compute the change in gas temperature. Obviously, temperature is not the only perameter that would change, I'm just focused on that parameter for now.

Thanks!
I presume you measure the power supplied to the arc, and assume this is the power supplied to the gas. Then you apply the ordinary heating formula using the Specific Heat Capacity of the gas. For air at constant volume (sealed box) the figure I have found is 0.718 kJ/kg K, and at constant pressure (vented box) 1.01.
So supposing we have 1 kg of air in a sealed box and we apply 1kW of energy for 10 seconds, energy supplied is 10 kJ. Then the temp rise will be 10/0.718 = 13.9 Kelvin.
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-gases-d_159.html
 
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@tech99, That is exactly what I need. Thank you so much!
 
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