Calculating the change in entropy of an ideal gas under compression

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the change in entropy of an ideal gas undergoing compression, specifically using a polytropic process with given initial and final pressures, temperatures, and volumes. Participants explore the relationships between temperature, volume, and entropy in the context of thermodynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 provides initial conditions for the gas and presents equations for calculating entropy, including a proposed formula for ΔS.
  • Post 2 and Post 3 affirm the correctness of the initial work and inquire about the participant's confusion regarding the use of Vf in the entropy calculation.
  • Post 4 suggests exploring other equations related to entropy, particularly in cases where the gas does not exchange heat with the environment.
  • Post 5 proposes solving for the final temperature first, then substituting it into the entropy equation, and offers a method to relate temperature and volume ratios through the polytropic relationship and ideal gas law.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the validity of the initial calculations but express uncertainty regarding the application of the equations for entropy. Multiple approaches to solving the problem are suggested, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the heat exchange and the specific relationships between temperature, volume, and pressure in the context of the polytropic process.

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Homework Statement


Initial
pressure: 140kPa
Temperature: 25C or 298K
Volume: 0.14m^3

Final
Pressure:1.4MPa or 1400kPa

It uses index compression, n=1.25. So PV^1.25 = constant.

c_p = 1.041kJ/kg.K and c_v = 0.743 kJ/kg.K

Homework Equations


¥ = c_p/c_v
ΔS=c_v*ln(Tf/Ti) + R*ln(Vf/Vi) [i think]

The Attempt at a Solution


I found ¥ to be 1.4012
PV^n = 12 therefore Vf = 0.0222

140*0.14^1.25=11.989
1400*Vf^1.25=11.989
Vf^1.25=11.989/1400
 
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So far your work looks OK. Where are you stuck?
 
PeterDonis said:
So far your work looks OK. Where are you stuck?
hi,

So where do i use the Vf? I don't I use "ΔS=c_v*ln(Tf/Ti) + R*ln(Vf/Vi) " as part two asks for the final temperature. So part one wants me to find the entropy, but i don't know how to do this.
 
Are there any other equations that involve the entropy? For example, for the special case (which it seems would apply to your problem) where the gas does not exchange heat with the environment?
 
I don't see any problem with solving for the final temperature first and then substituting for the delta S. Alternately, you can solve for the temperature ratio in terms of the volume ratio by combining the polytropic relationship with the ideal gas law:
##\Delta lnT-\Delta lnV=\Delta lnP##
##n\Delta ln V=-\Delta lnP##

Solve for ##\Delta lnV## and ##\Delta lnT## in terms of ##\Delta lnP##

Chet
 
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