Calculating the Energy for Equal de Broglie Wavelengths of Photons and Electrons

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy at which a photon and an electron have the same de Broglie wavelength. Participants are exploring the relationships between energy, wavelength, and relativistic effects in the context of quantum mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the formula for de Broglie wavelength for both photons and electrons, questioning how to equate them. There are attempts to derive relationships using known equations, but some express confusion regarding the variables involved, such as the velocity of the electron.

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The discussion is active, with participants seeking clarification on the equations and their derivations. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relativistic energy equation and its implications for the de Broglie wavelength of electrons. Multiple interpretations of the equations are being explored.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of relativistic physics and the definitions of kinetic and total energy, with some expressing uncertainty about the terminology and equations used.

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How do you calcuate at what energy do a photon and an electron have the same de broglie wavelength?
 
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ariana13 said:
How do you calculate at what energy do a photon and an electron have the same de broglie wavelength?
Hi ariana13 and welcome to PF,

I'm assuming that this is a homework question, in which case for future reference we have Homework & Coursework problems for such questions. Don't worry about it now, your thread will get moved there in due course.

Now for your question. What do you know about the de Broglie wavelength? How is it claculated?
 
Sorry if I put this in the wrong thread! For a photon, wavelength is just lambda=h*c/energy. I think for an electron you use the relativistic equation lambda=h/mv*sqt(1-v^2/c^2). I've tried equating these, but i ended up with a horrible equation to solve because i don't have velocity of the electron. I think i must have gone wrong somewhere.
 
Since we are taking about energies here, it may be more useful to use an alternative form for the de Broglie wavelength for the electron,

\lambda = \frac{hc}{pc} = \frac{hc}{\sqrt{T^2+2Tm_0c^2}}
 
Thanks for your help. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've never seen that equation before, where does it come from? What does T stand for?
 
ariana13 said:
Thanks for your help. Sorry if this is a stupid question, but I've never seen that equation before, where does it come from? What does T stand for?
There are no stupid questions :smile:

Anyway, it comes from the relativistic energy eqaution,

E^2 = \left(pc\right)^2 + \left(m_0c^2\right)^2

Where E it the total energy. In the expression in my previous post T represents the kinetic energy of the electron. Of course if one would prever to calculate the total energy of the electron (including rest energy) one may rewrite the previous equation,

\lambda = \frac{hc}{pc} = \frac{hc}{\sqrt{E^2 - m_0^2c^4}}
 
Thanks for clarifying that, i think i do it now. :)
 

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