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The discussion revolves around calculating the slope of the function f(x) = -1/(2x) at the point x = -2/3. Participants are exploring the evaluation of the function and its derivative using limits and small changes in x.

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  • Participants attempt to evaluate the function at a nearby point and express the slope using the limit definition of the derivative. Questions arise regarding the manipulation of fractions and the correctness of algebraic steps taken in the process.

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There is an ongoing examination of the algebraic steps involved in the calculation. Some participants provide guidance on fraction manipulation, while others express confusion about the properties of fractions and their application in this context. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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Participants note a lack of foundational knowledge in algebra, which may be impacting their ability to simplify expressions correctly. There is mention of external resources for improving math skills, indicating a desire to strengthen understanding of relevant concepts.

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Homework Statement


We are calculating the slope of the function f(x) = -1/(2x) at x = -2/3.

For the function f(x) = -1/(2x), we now know:

f(-2/3) = 3/4
Next, evaluate the function at a theoretical point x = -2/3+h near -2/3.
We'll use h to symbolize delta x, a small change in x.
f(-2/3+h) =


Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


= -1/(2(-2/3+h))
= -1/(-4/3+2h)
= 3/4-(1/2h)
I am doing independent study using a computer program and it is telling me that I am incorrect. What is wrong with my work?

 
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morrowcosom said:

Homework Statement


We are calculating the slope of the function f(x) = -1/(2x) at x = -2/3.

For the function f(x) = -1/(2x), we now know:

f(-2/3) = 3/4
Next, evaluate the function at a theoretical point x = -2/3+h near -2/3.
We'll use h to symbolize delta x, a small change in x.
f(-2/3+h) =


Homework Equations




The Attempt at a Solution


= -1/(2(-2/3+h))
= -1/(-4/3+2h)
= 3/4-(1/2h)
I am doing independent study using a computer program and it is telling me that I am incorrect. What is wrong with my work?
The next-to-last line looks fine, but could be rewritten as
= -1/(-4/3+2h)
= 1/(4/3 - 2h)

How did you get 3/4 - 1/(2h)?
 
Now I see what you did.
\frac{1}{\frac{a}{b} + \frac{c}{d}} \neq \frac{b}{a} + \frac{d}{c}

Your weakness in fractions is preventing you from successfully completing these problems.
 
I am a college student that is halfway through a master's degree in business management. I have not taken a basic algebra course in over six years. I am also dirt broke because I have no job, hence I cannot afford an algebra textbook to help me on my fractions. Where would be a good website to go to to learn the types of fraction simplication used in these problems. Right now I am on hiatus from school do to medical issues, and want to get good at math.

Thanks
 
I've heard a lot of good things about Khan Academy (http://www.khanacademy.org). The main page is divided up into sections. Take a look at the Pre-Algebra section - I saw a couple of links that discuss fraction multiplication and division.

There might be a lot of topics that would be of use to you. Any time you spend at refreshing your math skills will be a good investment, IMO.

Best of luck to you!
Mark
 
I decided to try out some of the new division stuff I saw on Khan by further simplifying a previous problem:

1/(4/3-2h)
(I went ahead and inverted and multiplied the 2nd terms)

(1/1)(3/4)= 3/4
(1/1)(-1/2h)= -1/2h

to get:
= 3/4-1/2h
How does this look?


I was messing around with latex:
(\frac{1}{1})(\frac{3}{4}) = (\frac{3}{4})

(\frac{1}{1})(\frac{-1}{2h}) = (\frac{1}{-2h})

= (\frac{3}{4}) - (\frac{-1}{2h})
 
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morrowcosom said:
I decided to try out some of the new division stuff I saw on Khan by further simplifying a previous problem:

1/(4/3-2h)
(I went ahead and inverted and multiplied the 2nd terms)

(1/1)(3/4)= 3/4
(1/1)(1/-2h)= -1/2h

to get:
3/4-1/2h
How does this look?
It's not right. 1/(4/3) = 3/4 and 1/(-2h) = -1/(2h), but 1/(4/3 - 2h) is not equal to 3/4 - 1/(2h).
IOW, there is no property of fractions that says that the reciprocal of a sum (or difference) is equal to the sum (difference) of the reciprocals.

For example 1/(2 + 3) = 1/5, but 1/2 + 1/3 = 3/6 + 2/6 = 5/6.

If it doesn't work for ordinary numbers, it's not going to work with algebraic expressions.
morrowcosom said:
Also I was messing around with latex, trying to create 1/1, but in the latex format, and ended up with this.
In the LaTeX below you have \1 in the numerator. It should be just 1, like this:
\frac{1}{1}
morrowcosom said:
\frac{\1}{1}
I typed it directly on this page. I was wondering what the error in my formatting was.

I used this link:
https://www.physicsforums.com/misc/howtolatex.pdf
 
It's not right. 1/(4/3) = 3/4 and 1/(-2h) = -1/(2h), but 1/(4/3 - 2h) is not equal to 3/4 - 1/(2h).
IOW, there is no property of fractions that says that the reciprocal of a sum (or difference) is equal to the sum (difference) of the reciprocals.

For example 1/(2 + 3) = 1/5, but 1/2 + 1/3 = 3/6 + 2/6 = 5/6.

According to the 1/(2+3)=1/5...example, I guess since there is no way to subtract 2h from 4/3, then there is no way to take the reciprocal of the combined terms, then there is no way to further simplify it. I solved a point on a curve slope problem using this form as one of my functions. If there is a way to further simplify the problem I would love to know what it is, but I have no idea on Earth how.
 
The only thing you can do is 2(2/3 - h).
 
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All this because I tried to overcomplicate something.
 
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So to finish this off, you have f(x) = -1/(2x), and you want to find the derivative at x = -2/3. I.e., you want f'(-2/3).

f'(-2/3) = \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{f(-2/3 + h) - f(-2/3}{h}
= \lim_{h \to 0} (1/h)(\frac{1}{4/3 - 2h} - 3/4)
= \lim_{h \to 0} (1/h)(\frac{4 - 3(4/3 - 2h)}{4(4/3 - 2h)} )
= \lim_{h \to 0} (1/h)(\frac{6h}{16/3 - 8h})
= \lim_{h \to 0} \frac{6}{16/3 - 2h} = \frac{6}{16/3} = 6 \cdot \frac{3}{16}= 18/16 = 9/8
 

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